2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 04 - 06

[Deadpool]

Some time ago, I received a negative rating on this forum because I said that Pirelli's departure from Formula 1 would be great news. I still think that the departure of Pirelli from Formula 1 will be great news, not only Pirelli as a company but also the whole philosophy behind the restrictions regarding tires. Pirelli has proven through all these seasons that he is not capable of making tires as they say they should to be. In Baku we had the opportunity to see two high-speed incidents in which the lives of drivers were endangered on tires that, according to Pirelli, should have lasted longer. Another in a series of mysterious pressure losses or the explosion of the holy Pirelli tire. All those restrictions that Pirelli imposed by force obviously don't work, and no one believes anymore in the justifications "damaged by debris". It's time for Pirelli to pack his luggage!
I am not a fan of RB and Horner, but they have my respect for the request to stop the race!

[e30ernest]

I actually want a tire war again. It's expensive sure, but it brought about good development in the tire front. The current setup has Pirelli doing the absolute minimum required of them from my point of view.

[Chuckjr]

Bring back Goodyear.

[carisi2k]

I actually want a tire war again. It's expensive sure, but it brought about good development in the tire front. The current setup has Pirelli doing the absolute minimum required of them from my point of view.

A controlled tyre war would be good. Just to make sure that brands don't spend a fortune in custom building tyres for each car there should be similar controls as put on Pirelli with 5 grades of tyre overall and 3 used per weekend.

I will say that I think the race should have been red flagged after strolls accident. Make sure the track was cleaned properly and send marshals to look for something that might have caused Strolls deflation.

[Fulcrum]

I think the "Peak" Hamilton epoch is over. Another mistake, and quite a desperate one. He could have simply brought the car home in second for 15 relatively safe points. Just goes to show what pressure can do to anyone.

Bottas really needs to go though.

What a huge mistake...... 2nd place gives out 18pts

Yeah, well spotted. The danger of not paying attention and editing two thoughts into one sentence.

[DChemTech]

So RedBull asked for a restart instead of getting an easy 1st place behind the safety car for giggles? Not because they feared another tyre may fail obviously. It’s all down to Masi damn him.

Your comment doesn't make any sense to me. I wasn't making any suggestion or accusation against Red Bull if that's what you are suggesting? My point was it was clear race control had very little control over the situation at that point in time, as evidence by that radio exchange.

RedBull stood by far the most to lose yet THEY didn’t want to continue on tyres that were clearly not safe so I imagine every team said exactly the same. Masi did exactly the right thing he got them all off tyres that were clearly no longer fit for purpose that’s what the Red flag did it gave everyone a chance to get rid of them.

Fair play to RB for suggesting the red flag out of concerns, even though a safety car finish might have been a preferred option for them (even with Perez having problems, I'd expect a SC-finish to be milder on the material than a restart).

But I was mostly surprised there was a restart at all - they could have just finished it with the red flag result. And to be honest, pretty much all a restart for 2 laps would do was lead to unsatisfactory results. Had Hamilton managed to make the overtake stick and get a win out of it, that would feel like he got 'handed' the win unjustly. Of course, he didn't, and while I am happy Verstappen still leads the championship, it doesn't feel like the right ending either. Hamilton deserved a podium spot, he drove a fine race on a circuit where his teammate couldn't get it to work, at all. A bit back, several people lost a place to Alonso, which would never have happened otherwise. Of course, these things happen with red flags and restarts, but to have such an impact so close to the end, it doesn't feel right. I'd have preferred they'd just call it a day after the red flag.

[e30ernest]

Your comment doesn't make any sense to me. I wasn't making any suggestion or accusation against Red Bull if that's what you are suggesting? My point was it was clear race control had very little control over the situation at that point in time, as evidence by that radio exchange.

RedBull stood by far the most to lose yet THEY didn’t want to continue on tyres that were clearly not safe so I imagine every team said exactly the same. Masi did exactly the right thing he got them all off tyres that were clearly no longer fit for purpose that’s what the Red flag did it gave everyone a chance to get rid of them.

Fair play to RB for suggesting the red flag out of concerns, even though a safety car finish might have been a preferred option for them (even with Perez having problems, I'd expect a SC-finish to be milder on the material than a restart). But I was mostly surprised there was a restart at all - they could have just finished it with the red flag result. And to be honest, pretty much all a restart for 2 laps would do was lead to unsatisfactory results. Had Hamilton managed to make the overtake stick and get a win out of it, that would feel like he got 'handed' the win unjustly. Of course, he didn't, and while I am happy Verstappen still leads the championship, it doesn't feel like the right ending either. Hamilton deserved a podium spot, he drove a fine race on a circuit where his teammate couldn't get it to work, at all. A bit back, several people lost a place to Alonso, which would never have happened otherwise. Of course, these things happen with red flags and restarts, but to have such an impact so close to the end, it doesn't feel right. I'd have preferred they'd just call it a day after the red flag.

I'm on the opposite side. I thought the restart was absolutely the right thing to do. The red flag meant the teams had to switch tires therefore mitigating the potential safety issue of the Pirellis. Besides, if it went on under SC, we don't know if the tires would fail even at that lower load.

If we didn't have a restart, I'm sure there will be fans angry at the loss of opportunity for Hamilton to take the win, or Vettel's chance for a higher podium spot (he had new softs) and so on. Also, I think it's better to end a race in racing conditions rather than under a red flag, or SC.

[zeph]

Some time ago, I received a negative rating on this forum because I said that Pirelli's departure from Formula 1 would be great news. I still think that the departure of Pirelli from Formula 1 will be great news, not only Pirelli as a company but also the whole philosophy behind the restrictions regarding tires. Pirelli has proven through all these seasons that he is not capable of making tires as they say they should to be. In Baku we had the opportunity to see two high-speed incidents in which the lives of drivers were endangered on tires that, according to Pirelli, should have lasted longer. Another in a series of mysterious pressure losses or the explosion of the holy Pirelli tire. All those restrictions that Pirelli imposed by force obviously don't work, and no one believes anymore in the justifications "damaged by debris". It's time for Pirelli to pack his luggage!
I am not a fan of RB and Horner, but they have my respect for the request to stop the race!

I totally see why you got the negative rating.

[Shrieker]

With crap all over the start finish straight on tyres that could go bang at any point? I think it’s a little obvious.

Go thru the pits, as they did ?

Then a tyre goes pop and takes pit crews out.

Extremely unlikely to happen at the pit speed limit...

[Jolle]

Calling for the red flag from RedBull also might be a bit tactical. If they red flagged it during the lap in which Verstappen had his blowout and didn’t resume the race, he had of won.

[politburo]

Some time ago, I received a negative rating on this forum because I said that Pirelli's departure from Formula 1 would be great news. I still think that the departure of Pirelli from Formula 1 will be great news, not only Pirelli as a company but also the whole philosophy behind the restrictions regarding tires. Pirelli has proven through all these seasons that he is not capable of making tires as they say they should to be. In Baku we had the opportunity to see two high-speed incidents in which the lives of drivers were endangered on tires that, according to Pirelli, should have lasted longer. Another in a series of mysterious pressure losses or the explosion of the holy Pirelli tire. All those restrictions that Pirelli imposed by force obviously don't work, and no one believes anymore in the justifications "damaged by debris". It's time for Pirelli to pack his luggage!
I am not a fan of RB and Horner, but they have my respect for the request to stop the race!

This is what Isola actually said:

“I believe I can exclude that failures were due to tyre wear, because it's not a matter of tyre wear…. The rear-left tyre is not the most stressed tyre in Baku because... it's obviously the rear-right."

“I don't want to give any preliminary conclusions. But it seems that it is a cut due to debris, because as I said, it's not the most stressed tyre… We had other cars with the same number of laps [on the] same tyres without any issue. So the preliminary investigation is that it is probably due to an external factor, or debris, or kerb or whatever."

In full here: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... Tz3Kq.html

[Deadpool]

Some time ago, I received a negative rating on this forum because I said that Pirelli's departure from Formula 1 would be great news. I still think that the departure of Pirelli from Formula 1 will be great news, not only Pirelli as a company but also the whole philosophy behind the restrictions regarding tires. Pirelli has proven through all these seasons that he is not capable of making tires as they say they should to be. In Baku we had the opportunity to see two high-speed incidents in which the lives of drivers were endangered on tires that, according to Pirelli, should have lasted longer. Another in a series of mysterious pressure losses or the explosion of the holy Pirelli tire. All those restrictions that Pirelli imposed by force obviously don't work, and no one believes anymore in the justifications "damaged by debris". It's time for Pirelli to pack his luggage!
I am not a fan of RB and Horner, but they have my respect for the request to stop the race!

I totally see why you got the negative rating.

Because I'm pointing the finger at the ugly truth that St. Pirelli didn't live up to the challenge? It's worth...

[Mogster]

Calling for the red flag from RedBull also might be a bit tactical. If they red flagged it during the lap in which Verstappen had his blowout and didn’t resume the race, he had of won.

Yes, Di Resta mentioned this straight away on the Sky coverage but the safety car remained out for a bit longer. I’m sure RBRs real motivation as to have the race stopped immediately and Max awarded the win.

[Restomaniac]

Your comment doesn't make any sense to me. I wasn't making any suggestion or accusation against Red Bull if that's what you are suggesting? My point was it was clear race control had very little control over the situation at that point in time, as evidence by that radio exchange.

RedBull stood by far the most to lose yet THEY didn’t want to continue on tyres that were clearly not safe so I imagine every team said exactly the same. Masi did exactly the right thing he got them all off tyres that were clearly no longer fit for purpose that’s what the Red flag did it gave everyone a chance to get rid of them.

Fair play to RB for suggesting the red flag out of concerns, even though a safety car finish might have been a preferred option for them (even with Perez having problems, I'd expect a SC-finish to be milder on the material than a restart).

But I was mostly surprised there was a restart at all - they could have just finished it with the red flag result. And to be honest, pretty much all a restart for 2 laps would do was lead to unsatisfactory results. Had Hamilton managed to make the overtake stick and get a win out of it, that would feel like he got 'handed' the win unjustly. Of course, he didn't, and while I am happy Verstappen still leads the championship, it doesn't feel like the right ending either. Hamilton deserved a podium spot, he drove a fine race on a circuit where his teammate couldn't get it to work, at all. A bit back, several people lost a place to Alonso, which would never have happened otherwise. Of course, these things happen with red flags and restarts, but to have such an impact so close to the end, it doesn't feel right. I'd have preferred they'd just call it a day after the red flag.

They couldn’t it would be a count back situation. That’s means handing the win to a guy sat in the pits which is normally their very last option. What we ended up with was probably the best outcome. It’s a scratch weekend as far as the WDC is concerned.

[Restomaniac]

Go thru the pits, as they did ?

Then a tyre goes pop and takes pit crews out.

Extremely unlikely to happen at the pit speed limit...

Who knows. Remember Pirelli said they were safe. That was half the problem nobody knew and I bet nobody wanted to stay on them. Hence race stopped so they can dump the potential timebombs sat on all 4 corner of most of the cars.