2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 04 - 06

[dans79]

Sometimes you also have to tell the customer NO, for any number of reasons.

[jumpingfish]

Why not add two mandatory pit-stops while still allowing them to choose the types of tyres? I think the problems of safety and tyres management would be resolved without changing the supplier.

[El Scorchio]

But why?

Why not? It was set fair and square. I mean, the whole reason for not granting it while outside the top 10 is to not upset the race apparently. There is no upset if you set it while you were still in the top 10.

You would need a lot of caveats with that.

You can't fall out of the top 10 because you need to change to another set of tires, because you murdered the tires used to set fastest lap.

You can't fall out of the top 10, because you now need to slow down to save fuel to finish the race.

Same goes for falling out of the top 10 because the completely depleted the battery pack while setting the fastest lap, etc etc.

Saying you must finish in the top 10 is just a way to try and minimize the number of ways the teams can game the system.

I also think it should be a reward for finishing the race successfully as well as in the top ten.

If we're being blunt here, it's another rule that has been fine with zero complaints for over a season now, but this one weekend it hasn't worked out in Verstappen's favour and so it's not a coincidence we are having this conversation about the rule being flawed in some way.

I said way back on this very thread if some rule didn't work in Verstappen's favour over the weekend, someone would make a post wanting it changed, and multiple people have. Every weekend barring Portimao, this same thing has happened!

[nzjrs]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

[DChemTech]

Yes, that's what the pit lane channel is for - but this weekend it was very disappointing. The normal commentators were replaced by Sky TV drones.

Aw well, still beats Dutch' Olav Mol though - who managed to utter something along the lines "So, it was actually Red Bull themselves that asked Charlie Whiting to call a red flag"

RedBull must have some serious witch craft going on back in the garage.

Next big regulation discussion will be on the legality of ouija boards

[El Scorchio]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

[Marty_Y]

Why not? It was set fair and square. I mean, the whole reason for not granting it while outside the top 10 is to not upset the race apparently. There is no upset if you set it while you were still in the top 10.

You would need a lot of caveats with that.

You can't fall out of the top 10 because you need to change to another set of tires, because you murdered the tires used to set fastest lap.

You can't fall out of the top 10, because you now need to slow down to save fuel to finish the race.

Same goes for falling out of the top 10 because the completely depleted the battery pack while setting the fastest lap, etc etc.

Saying you must finish in the top 10 is just a way to try and minimize the number of ways the teams can game the system.

I also think it should be a reward for finishing the race successfully as well as in the top ten.

If we're being blunt here, it's another rule that has been fine with zero complaints for over a season now, but this one weekend it hasn't worked out in Verstappen's favour and so it's not a coincidence we are having this conversation about the rule being flawed in some way.

I said way back on this very thread if some rule didn't work in Verstappen's favour over the weekend, someone would make a post wanting it changed, and multiple people have. Every weekend barring Portimao, this same thing has happened!

I laughed when I read this and agree there's been a knee jerk reaction to the rules every time something favours Lewis or hinders Max, but in this case I think it started with genuine question about who got fastest lap and I tried to answer it.

I don't think he was complaining that Max didn't get the point he just was unaware of why you don't get the point if you don't finish in the top ten.

[wesley123]

The guy has some serious voodoo going his way. It´s insane how lucky he is.

To comment on that; good fortune often comes to people with a positive mindset. It's weird how it works.

[nzjrs]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Lol, you have a more sensitive memory than me then! I only remember the Monaco thing

[DChemTech]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Oh come on, talking about strawmanning. You know better than this.
Most of these points were just speculations afterwards, whether or not these were the best possible rules for a situation, or some alteration might be possible (and what the effects would be, considering pros and cons). One could wonder whether the race thread was the best place to have that discussion, but in the aftermath of a certain event, it is not surprising that such discussions are had. They were definitely not calls to see some immediate rule change, as you seem to put it.

The only exception to that is perhaps race 1, and that was actually not a call for a rule change, but a call for the FIA to apply track limits consistently, instead of in haphazardly selected corners which they assume may yield time-gains. And with that, to get rid of the rather awkward situation that an out-of-bounds overtake defaults to being an advantage, while regular digressions at the same location do not (even though those regular digressions may accumulate to more time gained over the race). I stand by that critique, and it would be rather sour if this season would end up being decided on that. (edit: and this wasn't necessarily a reactive call either - Mexico 2016 & USA 2017 had similar, undesirable, situations)

Spain, I honestly cannot believe anyone would argue that one seriously. I could understand people arguing it sarcastically, in light of race 1.

[Marty_Y]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Also Portugal- track limits, invalidating Max's fastest lap in Q3.

[Wouter]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Lol, you have a more sensitive memory than me then! I only remember the Monaco thing

"Sensitive"? I don't think that is the right word for it.

[dans79]

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Lol, you have a more sensitive memory than me then! I only remember the Monaco thing

"Sensitive"? I don't think that is the right word for it.

yea, usually the word is "photographic"!

[siskue2005]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Lol, so true

[El Scorchio]

Wait, what other rules do the strawman verstappen people 'want changed' ?

Bahrain- track limits
Imola- cars shouldn't be allowed to unlap under a red flag
Spain- track limits but the other way round (so contrary to the argument for Bahrain)
Monaco- anyone causing a red flag in qualifying should lose their time/grid slot
Baku- fastest lap point should apply to a non race finisher

Lol, you have a more sensitive memory than me then! I only remember the Monaco thing

Well, I'm blessed/cursed with a pretty good memory, (delete where applicable) and it's been a sort of running theme on here throughout the season so far so I guess I've just picked up on it.