2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 04 - 06

[Deadpool]

So yes, your assertion that Pirelli doesn’t know how to do their job is not just an unpopular opinion, it’s plain ignorant.

Ignorant and blind is anyone who does not see what a catastrophic influence Pirelli has on racing in Formula 1. In almost every season of their infamous engagement, they had a failure that in itself would be enough to be kicked out of F1. And every time lives were in danger. I wonder if Jules Bianchi would be alive now if we had a good rain tire on the car? Would a fatal incident have happened at all? They can have 1000 years of experience, but they can still be stupid, incompetent and short-sighted because they agreed to intentionally make bad tires because the FIA ​​wants it that way. They tarnished the name and made a bad advertisement because they associated it with something unreliable and hated like tires in f1. There is a good reason why serious companies from the industry, Michelin, Bridgestone, etc., refused to participate in this kind of f1. It is bad for a business to make a bad product.They may have completed the task but turned out to be incompetent.

So yes Pirelli don’t know how to do their job.I believe that Durex would make better tires than them.
They are the worst tire supplier in f1 history and their departure will be really great news!


By the way, calling other people ignorant just because they don't think like you speaks about your upbringing ...

[langedweil]

Yes, that's what the pit lane channel is for - but this weekend it was very disappointing. The normal commentators were replaced by Sky TV drones.

Aw well, still beats Dutch' Olav Mol though - who managed to utter something along the lines "So, it was actually Red Bull themselves that asked Charlie Whiting to call a red flag"

RedBull must have some serious witch craft going on back in the garage.

They're good, but not that good ..

Look, Olav is a nice guy and has been an excellent commentator during the 90's with Kalff as his pit-reporter, but 25 yrs advanced in time things become very messy ...
For one the Whiting error. But then again, he's just looks at a handful of screens, and has to come up with everything by himself as there's no team left. It's almost unbearable to watch.
"Well, I think the next lap [driver X] will finally make his pitstop", while we all saw that same guy do his pitstop 4 laps ago. Stuff like that ...

[langedweil]

1 point is worth a lot to any team, I think you get your travel costs reimbursed if you score a point. Or is that only a WCC point and not a WDC point? That is also a reason for that P10 Limit I guess.

Isn't any WCC point always a WDC point as well in itself !?

[zeph]

So yes Pirelli don’t know how to do their job.I believe that Durex would make better tires than them.

I think this sort of nonsensical hyperbole perfectly illustrates where your head is at.

I’m done here. I’m sure you’ll have the last word.

[PlatinumZealot]

Max MUST make less mistakes than Lewis if he wants to win.

Isn't that just at the core of any WDC/WCC, and goes in any direction?

That sounds almost Cruijff-ian ("Soccer is simple, if you make just one goal more than your opponent, you win ..")

Not quite valide there. Points (goals) are counted at the end of the match. The side with more mistakes can still win as long as they score when it matters.

[AnthonyG]

Nooo… I dont like the whole “participation award” thing. I think points for top 10 only… and I’d even go one further and penalize a driver a point for not finishing a race. Keep the drivers and teams on their toes!

I think an initiative like that would make for very boring racing at the back of the field. F1 is about more than the first 5 teams.

[dans79]

F1 is about more than the first 5 teams.

The points schema kind of says otherwise. The points are handed out in a way that it's heavily weighted towards the front of the grid almost to the point of being an exponential curve.

[Andres125sx]

Fun race!

Lewis mistake was a rookie one, one of those wich can cost a title, but it was great for us fans as the championship will be a lot more interesting

Alonso, what a racer!

Congratulations to all podium finishers, it´s great to see a podium with the three drivers that happy

[214270]

What a shitshow this place has become. I wonder what the average age is here nowadays… but on the other end i couldn’t care less. Just a shame the dick length competition overshadows the opinions of people actually knowing what they talk about. Time for a different place to read for me

+1

For a technical forum, there is way too much fandom on display. Even a well-reasoned opinion/critique can descend into a childish back-n-forth because participants are so emotionally invested.

[Restomaniac]

But the italians dont't cover much more than italy. That's the difference.

It's not the British commentators fault that a large portion of the world watch/listen to their feed. Maybe that shows they are doing a good job ?

TBF it’s not even that. English is the go to language mainly because our American friends use it (American film and TV is the most watched around the world) as such they will expect the largest amount of viewers will at least understand English on some level so they use a group of English commentators and top end production that’s on hand.

[El Scorchio]

Oh come on, talking about strawmanning. You know better than this.
Most of these points were just speculations afterwards, whether or not these were the best possible rules for a situation, or some alteration might be possible (and what the effects would be, considering pros and cons). One could wonder whether the race thread was the best place to have that discussion, but in the aftermath of a certain event, it is not surprising that such discussions are had. They were definitely not calls to see some immediate rule change, as you seem to put it.

The only exception to that is perhaps race 1, and that was actually not a call for a rule change, but a call for the FIA to apply track limits consistently, instead of in haphazardly selected corners which they assume may yield time-gains. And with that, to get rid of the rather awkward situation that an out-of-bounds overtake defaults to being an advantage, while regular digressions at the same location do not (even though those regular digressions may accumulate to more time gained over the race). I stand by that critique, and it would be rather sour if this season would end up being decided on that.

Spain, I honestly cannot believe anyone would argue that one seriously. I could understand people arguing it sarcastically, in light of race 1.

Spin it how you want, but during/after every single one of those race weekends, at least one person said they'd like the rules changed after certain things happened. I mean, you're still doing that exact same thing about Bahrain now which is sort of proving my point.

I am calling you out on this one. Because I introduced this point. And I specifically asked to please NOT consider it a knee jurk whilst doing so. Yet here you are. So what gives.

Well, you posted that if someone was in possession of fastest lap then DNF'd they should keep it, right after the very race where Verstappen was in possession of fastest lap, had a DNF and lost it.

It's knee jerk, isn't it, even if you may not see that. Or at the very least somewhat more than a coincidence. Especially seen as the rules have been in place for a couple of years with no complaints and no problems, but now all of a sudden it needs looking at?

[Andres125sx]

I posted my opinion about the GP before reading any other post...now I did and instantly remind the reason I don't usually browse this section, but this one is even worse.

If moderator clean up the thread current 68 pages will be reduced to less than a half

[101FlyingDutchman]

What a shitshow this place has become. I wonder what the average age is here nowadays… but on the other end i couldn’t care less. Just a shame the dick length competition overshadows the opinions of people actually knowing what they talk about. Time for a different place to read for me

+1

For a technical forum, there is way too much fandom on display. Even a well-reasoned opinion/critique can descend into a childish back-n-forth because participants are so emotionally invested.

Amen. What’s more sad is those that seem to call out others for “perceived driver preference posts”, cannot see that it exactly what they are doing themselves.

The potential for rule changes being the most identifiable subject for it. Why can it not be talked about without a “penile length comparison” is beyond me. But shows the level of maturity, even amongst some of the prolific posters. Think before you post would be worthwhile for everyone to remember

[SiLo]

What a shitshow this place has become. I wonder what the average age is here nowadays… but on the other end i couldn’t care less. Just a shame the dick length competition overshadows the opinions of people actually knowing what they talk about. Time for a different place to read for me

+1

For a technical forum, there is way too much fandom on display. Even a well-reasoned opinion/critique can descend into a childish back-n-forth because participants are so emotionally invested.

It's easier to just stick to the car/team threads. Your best bet for more reasoned discussion is actually on the discord amazingly.

[Sieper]

Spin it how you want, but during/after every single one of those race weekends, at least one person said they'd like the rules changed after certain things happened. I mean, you're still doing that exact same thing about Bahrain now which is sort of proving my point.

I am calling you out on this one. Because I introduced this point. And I specifically asked to please NOT consider it a knee jurk whilst doing so. Yet here you are. So what gives.

Well, you posted that if someone was in possession of fastest lap then DNF'd they should keep it, right after the very race where Verstappen was in possession of fastest lap, had a DNF and lost it.

It's knee jerk, isn't it, even if you may not see that. Or at the very least somewhat more than a coincidence. Especially seen as the rules have been in place for a couple of years with no complaints and no problems, but now all of a sudden it needs looking at?

No, I didn’t say at all he should keep it. That is what you are turning it in to with what to me feels for the sake of it. What I did do was specifically ask, I even pleaded for it, to not treat it as such. And still you found it necessary to do so. Which is always how these race threads seem to go.

Then, to come back to the point (pun intended);

Yes we have had this fastest lap point for years, and no, it almost never is “lost” due to a backmarker taking it away (I believe I read somewhere malaysia 2017 Kmag was the last time) but finishing a race with a DNF er still retaining fastest lap is pretty rare I think? It just made me think, it was actually set whilst in the top 10. That is why I posted it. I think Only Dans79 has so far replied to the question (with some very good points, making it clear that probably the current rules are simpler and thus better) instead of having a go at the poster.