Points system to be scrapped for 2009

[Conceptual]

in the extreme case, if one driver wins the first 9 races, the championship is over.

Personally, I don't see the point in this

I hope if this happens that someone rings Bernie's bell with an aluminum baseball bat.

And then the remaining 17 drivers don't even show up for the rest of the season, and Bernie is bankrupted by violating all of the commercial argeements...

[hulmerist]

but think about it...if someone won the first 9 races in the old system....that's pretty much the championship anyway

[meves]

I think the problem is more if statistically you look at the non-schumacher years 4-5 race wins will seal you the championship, if it's end of story 5 races in I'll be in tears whoever wins it!

[Conceptual]

I think the problem is more if statistically you look at the non-schumacher years 4-5 race wins will seal you the championship, if it's end of story 5 races in I'll be in tears whoever wins it!

Well, at least if the champ is crowned by race 9, then we can forget about it and move onto watching something else...

[alelanza]

Now, can anyone remember a moment last year where someone having a shot at 1st place settled for 2nd place? Exception being interlagos, which in the end gave us a wonderful season ending thanks in fact to the point system.
I for one can't recall. I do remember people being unable to properly follow a comparable car for long enough to put up a fight, reason behind the aero changes. So what's the case study that made them decide drivers were not giving it their best?
For whatever reason LH settling for 3rd place at singapore got a lot of press, but in such a hard to pass circuit where a loaded Trulli and then Fisichella (i think) were able to keep a lot of the grid behind them, is it realistic to think LH would have been able to not only pass Rosberg but Alonso as well? I doubt it.

[tarzoon]

but think about it...if someone won the first 9 races in the old system....that's pretty much the championship anyway

Very true, but I was mentioning the extreme case. And with the current point system, it would be 90 points for the first place (over those 9 races) and 64 for the second place. 28 points difference halfway through is still better than a defeat.

And with this new system who cares about finishing second? Maybe those with fewer ambitions.

And what type of reaction would the viewers and sponsors have towards the end of the season?

[hulmerist]

but think about it...if someone won the first 9 races in the old system....that's pretty much the championship anyway

Very true, but I was mentioning the extreme case. And with the current point system, it would be 90 points for the first place (over those 9 races) and 64 for the second place. 28 points difference halfway through is still better than a defeat.

And with this new system who cares about finishing second? Maybe those with fewer ambitions.

And what type of reaction would the viewers and sponsors have towards the end of the season?

i suppose the past 2 seasons especially, we've been spoilt with amazing finishes, and the amount of wins at the top has been close as well

i don't think there's too much point in thinking about what could happen, since it's unlikely it will

hopefully it'll have the desired effect and we'll have an amazing season with amazing races before it all gets spoilt in 2010!

[Kester]

I think the problem is more if statistically you look at the non-schumacher years 4-5 race wins will seal you the championship, if it's end of story 5 races in I'll be in tears whoever wins it!

It could never be end of story 5 races in, as they'd still be 12 races left. So even if one driver won the first 5, we'd have to wait till at least the end of race 14 to find out if he'd win the championship.

There have been plenty of seasons where the champion had been crowned with at least 3 races left.

[Henning]

As Myurr mentioned earlier, I think the 10 place grid penalties are too severe for those fighting for the championship with the new wins system. I'm sure there is going to be controvesy from stewards decisions this year.

Also, what about 2nd drivers becoming battering rams later in the season. Not officailly, but given carte-blanche by the team to attempt risky overtaking moves around the cars of the main opposition

[NDR008]

For what its worth google F1 points petition...

[ISLAMATRON]

With all this ranting against this adjustment to the points system... can anyone answer me this.

How many 2nd places should equal 1 win? 2? or 3? 4 or 5 even? Not points wise but in shear value.. quick tell me who finished second in Hungary last year.

[Kester]

In my opinion every 3 second places should equal 2 wins.

Meaning you could have 15 for first, 10 for second, then filter through the remaining 6 places.

[tarzoon]

Last time they changed the point system, they reduced the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. It actually improved the competitiveness at the beginning or end of the season most of the times, but at the cost of making it boring throughout the year. 2nd place became only 2 points less than 1st, so why risk anything?

Also, what about 2nd drivers becoming battering rams later in the season. Not officailly, but given carte-blanche by the team to attempt risky overtaking moves around the cars of the main opposition

That's not competition, that's showing off.

[ISLAMATRON]

In my opinion every 3 second places should equal 2 wins.

Meaning you could have 15 for first, 10 for second, then filter through the remaining 6 places.

So 1.5 '2nds" (silvers) equals a win.... feasable, same difference to third? 1.5 "3rds" equal a 2nd?

[timbo]

That's exactly what teams proposed. 2x12 = 3x8.
But no, Max knows better.