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Honda are such a big improvement at history of Redbull that honda is not only a PU manufacturer that gives them a competitive PU but a pu base that give them opportunuty of produce their own to become a real independent team. Maybe it will open a new bussiness to them to make a road supercar too.godlameroso wrote: ↑28 Jun 2021, 13:52No one is under any illusions, RBR wouldn't be where they are if it wasn't for Honda, that's why Honda is stamped real big on the side of the car and on the rear wing, where you get a nice shot of it when the car zooms past you.
The Renault "wind up" sound is painful to me. It sounds way too tight and lossy. Maybe Honda/Merc just have a smoother ramp.djones wrote: ↑28 Jun 2021, 16:35The Renault engine does not look that bad these days.
It's likely the majority of the Redbull performance at the moment is a really good chassis/aero combined with great setups and recent tracks that are suiting the car well.
I highly suspect they would be in the same position had they kept the Renault engine.
That’s why it’s dangerous to get exactly what you wished for. Mercedes inadvertently made Red Bull a faster cargodlameroso wrote: ↑27 Jun 2021, 19:59Mercedes: Your rear wing is bendy, change it.
Red Bull: Ok, fine, we'll make a new rear wing.
Mercedes: Your car is too fast with your new rear wing.
Red Bull: You said make a new rear wing.
It's not like they're throwing developments at this car that aggressively. All things considered, the diffuser change isn't huge. Nothing on the RB16B that can't can't be adapted if you understand what's going on with the car as a whole, now if people want to make the investment in order to compete considering next year, that's a difficult choice. It must be weighed accordingly. I guess RBR is used to clawing their way from the back foot so long that they learned how to gain strength from it.
This I doubt, as it is the architecture of the new Honda PU that has allowed for the RB16b's aero package. The Renault PU and its size wouldn't have made it possible. The Honda engine also has more power overall, thanks to their collaboration with ExxonMobil. RedBull and STR both needed a works PU and Renault were not providing this, especially STR and the spare parts PUs they were being provided. Renaults investment into its PUs were not adequate for RedBull.djones wrote: ↑28 Jun 2021, 16:35The Renault engine does not look that bad these days.
It's likely the majority of the Redbull performance at the moment is a really good chassis/aero combined with great setups and recent tracks that are suiting the car well.
I highly suspect they would be in the same position had they kept the Renault engine.
He hasn't said anything to not give credit and what he's saying is pretty much consistent with Tanabe in that there haven't been any changes in specifications for the power units. He rightly credits ExxonMobil for their oil upgrades and the team as a whole have been working to improve the package in all facets be it aero, mechanical, molecular and electronics.
this is what everyone does to be fastest with what they had. every team choose settings what makes them fastest and Mercedes's calculation gives them this as a best.Ryar wrote: ↑29 Jun 2021, 04:06This video clearly shows the compromises in set up between Mercedes and Red Bull. By having lower wing levels, Red Bull goes fast on straights, but clearly gets slower in corner entries. Mercedes loses out on straights, but almost makes up for it in corner entries with higher downforce allowing late breaking. Mercedes should stop cribbing about Red Bull's straight line speed.
https://twitter.com/FormulaNerds/status ... 06794?s=20
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/revea ... t/6618888/The Red Bull F1 updates that helped it beat Mercedes at the Styrian GP
So let’s take a look at what Red Bull has done to its car that has allowed it to step clear – both in Austria last weekend and earlier in the campaign.
