2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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sosic2121 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 10:56
f1316 wrote:
16 Jul 2021, 23:18
No one would know from any of the reaction that Leclerc put the Ferrari, which is down on power, on a track with a lot of on throttle, onto the 2nd row. Cracking lap to be ahead of a Red Bull.
regarding speed and racecraft Leclerc is possibly best driver at the moment.
Sainz is too close to him for that on speed and his racecraft has been very shaky. He has made too many easily avoidable contacts. At this point in his career it is time to start having less of those. He is a fighter, but a bit too much.

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Can they start the sprint on any tyre or does it have to be soft?

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they can start it on whatever tire they want. Will be interesting to see, if teams approach it (very) differently

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In that case, I'm going to guess Mercedes on mediums and Max on soft in the hope to jump and stay ahead for the 17.

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f1316 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 08:54
ispano6 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 08:46
Artur Craft wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 07:46
As predicted, Honda is not perfoming well without the altitude, hence Tsunoda being knocked out already on Q1 and even Gasly was very modest this time around.

Perez is only there with the Ferraris, Mclarens and even Russel! :o Max did a fantastic job to be up there with the mighty Mercedeses, their engine works too greatly in this track, always have, tbh.

Bottas´s time is reasonably close to pole so I think Max should be focusing on holding his P2 instead of desperately trying to get P1. Mercedes is just way too quick. On Paul Ricard, RB only won because they didn´t follow Pirelli´s recommended strategy as Mercedes was way faster. On the sprint race there will be no room for strategy so Max´s goal should be to hold Bottas and that´s it, he won´t even be able to keep up with Hamilton, nevermind pass him.

The only track where RB was really faster was the RBR, due to the altitude. Even at Monaco Mercedes was faster(Bottas would have gotten pole with the mini sectors he was doing prior to Leclerc´s crash)
Baku Azerbaijan is 92ft below sea level.
Yes and I don’t agree with the sentiment was the only track where RB was faster (and that it’s all about altitude). I will however agree that Mercedes returning to competitiveness should not be a shock, nor is it entirely attributable to the upgrade, as - per the original comment - they were arguably the quicker package in Paul Ricard. This is less a factor of altitude and more circuit type - ie more fast, long corners - and we can track Mercedes’ strength in these across Barcelona, Paul Ricard and Silverstone (not just this year but EVERY year) so it should be no surprise that they’re back at the front.

It’s also not necessarily a sign of things to come because it is still track specific to a degree - ie this doesn’t mean they’ll necessarily be strong In Hungary, but it is likely they’ll be strong at Suzuka.
Nailed that response. Something a lot of us objectively have seen. Which is why the fanboy responses “doomsday”/“it’s lost” or “domination” are so laughable. It fits into the whole extreme narrative that happens on social media these days but reality is always more complicated.

So far I see 2 cars that can duke it out on most tracks. Some favour one, some favour another. But it’s close and surely that can only benefit the racing

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Sieper wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:06
sosic2121 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 10:56
f1316 wrote:
16 Jul 2021, 23:18
No one would know from any of the reaction that Leclerc put the Ferrari, which is down on power, on a track with a lot of on throttle, onto the 2nd row. Cracking lap to be ahead of a Red Bull.
regarding speed and racecraft Leclerc is possibly best driver at the moment.
Sainz is too close to him for that on speed and his racecraft has been very shaky. He has made too many easily avoidable contacts. At this point in his career it is time to start having less of those. He is a fighter, but a bit too much.
Sainz is a really good driver, I've been saying that since 2016.

IMO currently there is no one better at car placement and fighting then Leclerc.

You Lewis and Max fans better hope that Ferrari is not a title contender next year :lol:

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djones wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:12
In that case, I'm going to guess Mercedes on mediums and Max on soft in the hope to jump and stay ahead for the 17.
Does anyone in top 10 even have any new softs left? I'd be shocked if they weren't all on mediums.

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cooken wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:38
djones wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:12
In that case, I'm going to guess Mercedes on mediums and Max on soft in the hope to jump and stay ahead for the 17.
Does anyone in top 10 even have any new softs left? I'd be shocked if they weren't all on mediums.
I think McLaren may well have a set left. They never ran the softs in FP1. Deliberately, as they mentioned it on team stream that it was different to everyone else on the grid

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djones wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:12
In that case, I'm going to guess Mercedes on mediums and Max on soft in the hope to jump and stay ahead for the 17.
No way the softs do 17 laps. The mediums were already blistering after a dozen laps or so.

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mkay wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:44
djones wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:12
In that case, I'm going to guess Mercedes on mediums and Max on soft in the hope to jump and stay ahead for the 17.
No way the softs do 17 laps. The mediums were already blistering after a dozen laps or so.
True but what was the fuel load? And how do the higher day temps effect the wear

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ispano6 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 08:46
Baku Azerbaijan is 92ft below sea level.
didn´t LH qualify 2nd, behind Leclerc?

Perhaps they didn´t have the best setup for the race day, as Ferrari didn´t, but they had speed, at least on QLF
f1316 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 08:47
In terms of the format of the weekend, I think the first objective (as I see it) was largely successful: start doing meaningful running earlier in the weekend, making Friday more interesting.
Why didn´t they just bring back Friday QLF, the 1 hour session where we don´t get BS Q1-Q2-Q3 and the grid is defined solely by outright speed?! I certainly would love Friday and Saturday QLFs as we had up until the early 90s

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Artur Craft wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:51
Why didn´t they just bring back Friday QLF, the 1 hour session where we don´t get BS Q1-Q2-Q3 and the grid is defined solely by outright speed?! I certainly would love Friday and Saturday QLFs as we had up until the early 90s
If you recall the early 90s, you will remember that most cars were just sitting in the garage until 5 minutes before the end of the session. No one will do more than one hot lap unless you force them to.

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notsofast wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 12:04
Artur Craft wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:51
Why didn´t they just bring back Friday QLF, the 1 hour session where we don´t get BS Q1-Q2-Q3 and the grid is defined solely by outright speed?! I certainly would love Friday and Saturday QLFs as we had up until the early 90s
If you recall the early 90s, you will remember that most cars were just sitting in the garage until 5 minutes before the end of the session. No one will do more than one hot lap unless you force them to.
It´s so sad to see this myth being constantly spread around :(

On EVERY single NORMAL QLF session, ALL DRIVERS would do 12 laps(4 sets of outlap, flying lap, inlap). There was no waiting around and this myth is disingeneous

Most of the times, the drivers´best laps weren´t even their lastest. For instance, watch Spa 93 Saturday QLF to get an idea of that.

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Sieper wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:06
sosic2121 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 10:56
f1316 wrote:
16 Jul 2021, 23:18
No one would know from any of the reaction that Leclerc put the Ferrari, which is down on power, on a track with a lot of on throttle, onto the 2nd row. Cracking lap to be ahead of a Red Bull.
regarding speed and racecraft Leclerc is possibly best driver at the moment.
Sainz is too close to him for that on speed and his racecraft has been very shaky. He has made too many easily avoidable contacts. At this point in his career it is time to start having less of those. He is a fighter, but a bit too much.
These are the quali battles up to the 9th race.

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Starkblood80 wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 07:23
Radley wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 04:26
Do you think any driver ventured out to the caravan parks tonite.? I'd like to think of Lando going out greet some some fans. Maybe George & Carlos. Wouldn't need much , take some swag and minimal security.
I doubt they would risk catching rona mid season for a stroll around the great unwashed.
All attendees of the GP have to be double jabbed and have a recent test. Still a risk, but if the drivers have had their jabs, should not be very high
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