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hulmerist
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how would he even know? how would anyone? i bet this is him saying something so if it happens he can come out looking really clever, and if it doesn't no one will remember he got it wrong

most likely they'll be midfield

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On page 12 of this weeks autosport there is a picture of LH mid-crash at testing this week. The thing is, the fuel flap is open...something i thought only happend when the car was in "pitlane mode" Could this show the reason he went off?

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in the pitlane more the max speed is 80km/h. Can't be that. And also, what about the crash the week before?

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did anyone else hear about the pitlane speedlimit being upped to 100kph?

any reason for it?

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hulmerist wrote:did anyone else hear about the pitlane speedlimit being upped to 100kph?

any reason for it?
To make 3 stopping for tyres less penalising? Especially since it is Bridgestones fault, and not the teams..

I dunno, but I must say watching the older races where there was no pit speed limit at all was rather fun to watch, and from what I have seen, there wasn't many accidents from it, but I haven't seen them all so I cannot be sure...

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The Pit-lane speed limit was introduced in the FIA knee-jerk reactions to the plethora of accidents in 1994. It didn't really do anything other than introduce more money-making opportunities for the FIA in the form of fines.
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Scotracer wrote:The Pit-lane speed limit was introduced in the FIA knee-jerk reactions to the plethora of accidents in 1994. It didn't really do anything other than introduce more money-making opportunities for the FIA in the form of fines.
Thats easy to say, but still with speed limit in place, louie managed to crash into a stationary Kimi in the pitlane. Imagine if he was at double the speed by then?

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Thats easy to say, but still with speed limit in place, louie managed to crash into a stationary Kimi in the pitlane. Imagine if he was at double the speed by then?
Oh C'mon! This incident, had already been discussed a dozen of times last year for clarification. So there's no need to bring this up again. Just my two cents. Peace!

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shotzski wrote:
Thats easy to say, but still with speed limit in place, louie managed to crash into a stationary Kimi in the pitlane. Imagine if he was at double the speed by then?
Oh C'mon! This incident, had already been discussed a dozen of times last year for clarification. So there's no need to bring this up again. Just my two cents. Peace!
Just mentioned because most were deriding the pitlane speed limit as useless, which I dont agree. I dont think the pitlane should be raced upon.

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Rikhart wrote:
shotzski wrote:
Thats easy to say, but still with speed limit in place, louie managed to crash into a stationary Kimi in the pitlane. Imagine if he was at double the speed by then?
Oh C'mon! This incident, had already been discussed a dozen of times last year for clarification. So there's no need to bring this up again. Just my two cents. Peace!
Just mentioned because most were deriding the pitlane speed limit as useless, which I dont agree. I dont think the pitlane should be raced upon.
I think that's just a bad example maybe the Alonso, Vettel example at Germany last year would be a better example of racing in the pit lane and it not being the best place for it.

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With regards to Rikhart's post, I understand what you're trying to say. But the incident was a bit more complicated. Like, (eg: Kimi and Kubica were side by side in the pitlane w/c is illegal I think, coz' they were racing. And Hamilton could have paid more attention to the lights, etc). So it's hard to dwell on it more. We need better examples for a more justified view of the topic :)

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shotzski wrote:Oh C'mon! This incident, had already been discussed a dozen of times last year for clarification. So there's no need to bring this up again. Just my two cents. Peace!
No, Rikhart is 100% justified in bringing it up. It is not about whose fault it was - that is irrelevant in this argument.


If it wasn't for the pitlane speed limit - the wreckage in the pitlane would have been alot worse.


As for the drivers racing each other in the pitlane - at 100 kph, it is relatively slow - what if they touched wheels at 200 kph?

Carnage. Carnage with unprotected mechanics in close proximity.



The pitlane speed limit was a great move by the FIA, and should undoubtedly stay.

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I agree that the pitlane speed limit is a good and sensible thing. I would disagree though with the assertion that racing in the speed limit is relatively okay because of the low speed. All it takes is a small nudge or tap to send a car piling into a group of mechanics or another stationary car at nearly 60mph. That is a very big accident and is likely to end in severe injuries or even fatalities.

Frankly the FIA should have outlawed any side by side racing in the pitlane as soon as it started happening last year. The safe release clause in the rules and should have been strengthened to ban this.

Normally I'm all for racing and against excessive safety, but in this case you're talking about mechanics safety and it shouldn't be compromised through the typical ambiguous FIA rules.

Rather than trying to save F1 from a catastrophe that only he can see, Max should concentrate all his efforts for the next couple of years on providing a stable and unambiguous set of rules for the sport that provide a level playing field within which the teams and drivers compete. Unfortunately he's gone and got himself a God complex and is far more interested in political manouvering, power grabbing, sabre rattling, and bigging up his own preening self importance than actually doing a solid and reliable job or genuinely helping F1.

Why oh why can't someone get rid of him?

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what's this got to do with the MP4-24?
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myurr wrote:Why oh why can't someone get rid of him?

I know.


Who exactly wants him or the poison dwarf around?


Far more trouble than they are worth IMO.