2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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El Scorchio wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:03
There are (a small minority of) nasty ignorant people in both countries. Sadly it’s a Global problem.
It's also in large part also 'availability bias' and social media mechanics.

(Off topic)

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Lock2nl wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 23:45
dans79 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 23:00
Unf wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 22:56
In other hand - in Hamilton and Wolf eyes, Verstappen was behind their car... :wtf:
Lewis Was referring to when they entered the braking zone, and he wasn't was off, as Lewis's wing was even with Maxes front tire. Most people wouldn't be correct all the time at those speeds with another car that close!
That is correct. But that really isn't important. Once he got there for a very brief moment, he lost speed in the braking zone much more than Max had too (as the racing line is from the outside in). So Lewis had to know it would never work there. Still, he did not back off. And after having picked up some dirt before the braking zone he was bound to understeer into Max. And he did that a wheel base behind Max.
There's a difference between the optimum racing line that yields the best lap time, and a racing line. Hence the reason why when two cars are fighting cars behind quickly catch up because neither of the two drivers fighting are taking optimal lines.


Hence the reason why neither of them were on the optimal racing line.
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Yes, Max could have made more room, but Lewis should have absolutely backed off due to missing the apex.
At that point the only possible trajectory the car would be able to go is straight into max, and Lewis STILL committed.

This is a full out high speed corner, he knows that, he's won on this track 8 times, but he still kept the gas on? really?

100% Lewis’s fault. Yet he came straight on the radio saying ‘he turned in on me man’, and ‘I was ahead going in there man’.

These are outright lies, Hamilton knows it, and anyone who watches the replays properly knows it.
Definitely a race suspension.

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pantherxxx wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:43
Yes, Max could have made more room, but Lewis should have absolutely backed off due to missing the apex.
At that point the only possible trajectory the car would be able to go is straight into max, and Lewis STILL committed.

This is a full out high speed corner, he knows that, he's won on this track 8 times, but he still kept the gas on? really?

100% Lewis’s fault. Yet he came straight on the radio saying ‘he turned in on me man’, and ‘I was ahead going in there man’.

These are outright lies, Hamilton knows it, and anyone who watches the replays properly knows it.
Definitely a race suspension.
You’re wrong.

“Everyone watching the replays knows it”

… that is a lie.

“Lewis should have backed out”

Is 100% the lie Max is telling to himself and those around him enabling him (his dad, Marko, Horner). That in itself is wrong and doesn’t help Max in the long run.
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Why would Lewis need to hit the apex in the first place. There is no rule saying you have to hit the apex when you are on the inside. Max certainly didn't hit the apex two corners earlier when Lewis was in front of him on the outside of Brooklands. Completely opposite, hi divebombed to the very edge of the track. Whenever Max is on the inside this year Max would use an entire track and literally push Hamilton off the track. Now being on the outside he again expected Hamilton to yield.

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Way too many Lewis sympathisers here. Lewis is 100% to blame for this incident. His front wing touched Max's rear wheel and it doesn't matter what Max may or may not have been doing beforehand for which he may have been penalised for. Lewis didn't have the corner and basically punted Max in to his 51G accident. This should have been a black flag for Lewis and not a 10 second penalty. How can this penalty be the same as what happened with Norris and Perez at Austria when Max is out of the race and in Hospital. This is Senna / Prost in Japan 1990.

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I think a minority of Max fans are just using Max as a proxy to root against Lewis for racial reasons.
Oh come on, a minority can be as few as one. I'm enjoying watching Verstappen because I'm tired of Mercedes and Hamilton walking away with it all the time. It's great to see aggression from both Max and Lewis; this season might be a really memorable one.
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Why do you guys keep bringing up 51g’s as if it matters? It doesn’t. The penalty should be decided on the actions, not the outcomes.

Indy Car and NASCAR routinely have “51g” crashes and they aren’t used to garner sympathy, either are precautionary trips to the hospital.

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Rodak wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:52
I think a minority of Max fans are just using Max as a proxy to root against Lewis for racial reasons.
Oh come on, a minority can be as few as one. I'm enjoying watching Verstappen because I'm tired of Mercedes and Hamilton walking away with it all the time. It's great to see aggression from both Max and Lewis; this season might be a really memorable one.
It can be, but as small as a sample as this forum is of F1 fandom, there still was one here. Based on the use of the monkey emoji on IG to Mercedes post, I’m not wrong and it’s disgusting.

That said, I am enjoying the fight. If it weren’t for Lewis or Max, I wouldn’t be watching. When Lewis retires, and if no one steps up to Max’s level, I likely will tune out. Watching a cyborg rich guy from Monaco dominate gets old fast.
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Lewis has had practice to know just how to hit the Red Bull’s right rear tires. 2019 brazil, 2020 Austria and 2021 British. Regardless of intent or how, he seems to hit the Red Bull car each time just right to send them spinning while doing little damage to his car in comparison.
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carisi2k wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:51
Way too many Lewis sympathisers here. Lewis is 100% to blame for this incident. His front wing touched Max's rear wheel and it doesn't matter what Max may or may not have been doing beforehand for which he may have been penalised for. Lewis didn't have the corner and basically punted Max in to his 51G accident. This should have been a black flag for Lewis and not a 10 second penalty. How can this penalty be the same as what happened with Norris and Perez at Austria when Max is out of the race and in Hospital. This is Senna / Prost in Japan 1990.
Because outcomes are not penalized. It’s the action that is penalized.

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Hoffman900 wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:53
Why do you guys keep bringing up 51g’s as if it matters? It doesn’t. The penalty should be decided on the actions, not the outcomes.

Indy Car and NASCAR routinely have “51g” crashes and they aren’t used to garner sympathy, either are precautionary trips to the hospital.

It's the same justification tactic that Horner is using. The average fan knows nothing about racing, so by sighting a number and acting like it's a big deal they riling up the fans who don't know any better.
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rogazilla wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:58
Lewis has had practice to know just how to hit the Red Bull’s right rear tires. 2019 brazil, 2020 Austria and 2021 British. Regardless of intent or how, he seems to hit the Red Bull car each time just right to send them spinning while doing little damage to his car in comparison.
Oh please this is an utterly ridiculous comment.

I have vastly more respect for the people who openly admit they don't like a given driver or team then I do for people who come up with ridiculous justifications for things.
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dans79 wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 02:07
Hoffman900 wrote:
19 Jul 2021, 01:53
Why do you guys keep bringing up 51g’s as if it matters? It doesn’t. The penalty should be decided on the actions, not the outcomes.

Indy Car and NASCAR routinely have “51g” crashes and they aren’t used to garner sympathy, either are precautionary trips to the hospital.

It's the same justification tactic that Horner is using. The average fan knows nothing about racing, so by sighting a number and acting like it's a big deal they riling up the fans who don't know any better.
Oh I known exactly what they are doing. I think it’s reckless, but Team Principals are every bit as disingenuous as politicians when trying to rile up their base. All of them, except maybe Steiner, but he’s an old rally car guy, so he’s a salt of the earth type :lol:

As a comparison, Grosjean had an estimated 67g impact and then pulled himself out of an inferno.
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I don't wanna blame anyone, for me it was just a race incident. Both put their races on risk on that corner, Max with 33 points advantage should be less aggressive and more rational.
How this crash will affect Max in the remaining championship?
Did it broke beyond repair an engine or gearbox or any other limited quantity component?
Will Max still be that aggressive if he get another 20 (or more) points advantage?