2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[nzjrs]

There was literally racism in this thread yesterday. ... But sure, you keep your head burried in the sand because "it's all for clicks baby"

I do not dispute that. All Racism is bad.

If you ever insinuate I am that way inclined, or sympathetic that, you can --- right off, I mean this sincerely, you can absolutely --- right off. Dont you dare edit your post and put and eye roll there.

What I am talking about is incentives, availability bias, and social media mechanics. It's an interesting topic that I will happily discuss in DM.

[Bandit1216]

Hmmmm.

As a Dutch guy, and obviously a Max fan, I think it's just an accident. The FIA decided it was more Lewis' fault, so he got a penalty. I just hope it's not title defining in the end. There was room enough, and Lewis just got a bit more understeer then he anticipated. One of the first things he did, was ask whether Max was oké. Indeed Max himself pulled of more dangerous things in the past. When it works you are brilliant, when not, you're an arse.

Fantastically put at the end.

I like max, but only since 2019 onwards. Before I really thought he was a bully.

Yesterday’s over aggression shows deep down he is still somewhat of a bully. But this time he needs to be smart and realise he can win this championship.


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Yeah. By adding downforce and loosing top speed, RB put themselves on the spot the 1st lap. Better take it and be 2nd this time. Or do it on strategy.

[Restomaniac]

Right if we put the actual crash in a box another question appears. Mercedes have just found pace after an upgrade they really didn't have time to validate and tune in before the races and qualifying. What happens when they do?

Remember Mercedes have gone from one of the slowest in a straight line in Austria to the fastest in Britain due to being able to remove the barn door at the back of the car.

[Just_a_fan]

Right if we put the actual crash in a box another question appears. Mercedes have just found pace after an upgrade they really didn't have time to validate and tune in before the races and qualifying. What happens when they do?

Is there much tuning to be done with an aero upgrade? It either works or it doesn't. If you put it on and get the loads through the suspension that you expect then that's kind of it really. They'll have known if the stuff was working by the end of the first couple of fast laps.

[Restomaniac]

Right if we put the actual crash in a box another question appears. Mercedes have just found pace after an upgrade they really didn't have time to validate and tune in before the races and qualifying. What happens when they do?

Is there much tuning to be done with an aero upgrade? It either works or it doesn't. If you put it on and get the loads through the suspension that you expect then that's kind of it really. They'll have known if the stuff was working by the end of the first couple of fast laps.

well I would say yes. Look at my edit, the rear wing size change. Surely that says that the updates have seriously changed how the car works.

[Just_a_fan]

Right if we put the actual crash in a box another question appears. Mercedes have just found pace after an upgrade they really didn't have time to validate and tune in before the races and qualifying. What happens when they do?

Is there much tuning to be done with an aero upgrade? It either works or it doesn't. If you put it on and get the loads through the suspension that you expect then that's kind of it really. They'll have known if the stuff was working by the end of the first couple of fast laps.

well I would say yes. Look at my edit, the rear wing size change. Surely that says that the updates have seriously changed how the car works.

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

[nzjrs]

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

It's impressive they found a setup for it with the reduced FP running this weekend. Another consequence of the weird format is maybe that is biased towards the simulation rich teams.

[Restomaniac]

Is there much tuning to be done with an aero upgrade? It either works or it doesn't. If you put it on and get the loads through the suspension that you expect then that's kind of it really. They'll have known if the stuff was working by the end of the first couple of fast laps.

well I would say yes. Look at my edit, the rear wing size change. Surely that says that the updates have seriously changed how the car works.

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

Teams always talk about setup for different tracks and they normally have 3 Free Practices and still say it’s not enough. Brand new parts with no real life correlation will need more than the 60 minutes they had. Other teams could lean on previous races Mercedes couldn’t on a car that’s gone from one of the slowest with a massive rear wing to one of the fastest with a tiny one.

[Just_a_fan]

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

It's impressive they found a setup for it with the reduced FP running this weekend. Another consequence of the weird format is maybe that is biased towards the simulation rich teams.

Indeed so. Haas made a bit of a thing about it, didn't they? About Hamilton going to the simulator on Friday. Let's face it, they'd have been silly not to make use of the facility when it's a 10 minute drive down the road.

[Viper2789]

Merc looked like a different machine on the C1s. I haven't looked but when/where have the C1s been used and when are they being used again?

The pace over the Ferrari was ridiculous, even Charles said he heard Lewis' lap times and knew it was inevitable.

[Just_a_fan]

well I would say yes. Look at my edit, the rear wing size change. Surely that says that the updates have seriously changed how the car works.

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

Teams always talk about setup for different tracks and they normally have 3 Free Practices and still say it’s not enough. Brand new parts with no real life correlation will need more than the 60 minutes they had. Other teams could lean on previous races Mercedes couldn’t on a car that’s gone from one of the slowest with a massive rear wing to one of the fastest with a tiny one.

It's worth remembering that Mercedes have had some time to play with this in the simulator etc. It's not like it was brought to the track a race or two after another big upgrade. It's basically the biggest change they've made to the car this season and they've spent weeks doing it. I bet they had a fairly good handle on what needed to be done before they even loaded the trucks on Wednesday.

[Just_a_fan]

Merc looked like a different machine on the C1s. I haven't looked but when/where have the C1s been used and when are they being used again?

The pace over the Ferrari was ridiculous, even Charles said he heard Lewis' lap times and knew it was inevitable.

Spain, Portugal, Britain, Holland, Japan were the races chosen for the C1 tyre this year.

[WaikeCU]

Was it Lewis not mentioning after the Sprint Qualifying that it was difficult to chase and follow Max around this track?
I think they've managed to analyze after the SQ, the Merc maybe had the upper hand on pace in Lap 1 with the straightline speed they had and the effect of the tow. Being ahead after lap 1 would be a big advantage on this track rather than chasing the RB.

Similar to the SQ both drivers had a similar run towards Copse, but unlike during the SQ, Lewis opted for the inside line instead of staying on the outside line. The outside line Lewis knew he would get covered off and be compromised by the RB on cornering speed, but being on the inside I think Lewis thinks he has a chance just based on positioning of the car and thus Max had to be aware of him that he was there instead of just turning in heading towards the apex like the natural racing line.

[Restomaniac]

It says that the car is making more rear downforce from the diffuser throat. They will have designed it for that reason and to allow the rear wing reduction. But as for tuning it, unless they're going to spend hours in CFD / the wind tunnel fiddling with the bits they've bolted on, there's not much else to "tune" is there? Perhaps very small changes to wheel geometry but I wonder whether even that.

Teams always talk about setup for different tracks and they normally have 3 Free Practices and still say it’s not enough. Brand new parts with no real life correlation will need more than the 60 minutes they had. Other teams could lean on previous races Mercedes couldn’t on a car that’s gone from one of the slowest with a massive rear wing to one of the fastest with a tiny one.

It's worth remembering that Mercedes have had some time to play with this in the simulator etc. It's not like it was brought to the track a race or two after another big upgrade. It's basically the biggest change they've made to the car this season and they've spent weeks doing it. I bet they had a fairly good handle on what needed to be done before they even loaded the trucks on Wednesday.

I’m not denying that but teams over and over again they would like more time and that’s on cars they have ran in anger in races and qualifying. Mercedes have obviously had a serious change and had 60 minutes when teams normally get 180. Yet it looked the fastest after looking nowhere (in context) previously. Now imagine they had the full 180 minutes to perfect it.

[dans79]

I said he should have been disqualified. FIA officially deemed Ham at fault.

They said predominantly, not solely or completely. That means they believe some amount of blame belongs with Max, hence why he got a 10 second penalty, and nothing more.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... car_33.pdf

Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.

Grosjean got a race ban for dangerous driving for a turn 1 incident in Belgium, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

The stewards claimed Lewis was at fault for "Causing a collision" (see the official document). What the claimed of Grosjean back then was completely different.

The FIA makes next to nothing available online for races that long ago, however a lot of news outlets have exact quotes from it, for example!

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/belgi ... 1/4457661/

"The stewards regard this incident as an extremely serious breach of the regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others,"

It also notes the following that is significant.

"The stewards note the team conceded the action of the driver was an extremely serious mistake and an error of judgement," it said.

"Neither the team nor the driver made any submission in mitigation of penalty."