Points system to be scrapped for 2009

[ISLAMATRON]

There are so many permutations in your Driveer A & B situation that we could go all day with the what ifs... by the way there couldn't be 17 races if Driver A won 10 and Driver B won 8... University has fried your brain, get out while you can!

We both believe in consistency, but I lean a little bit more towards wins... lets just leave it at that.

Like I stated before the way I reached 1000 points was simply to satisfy 2 components of my equation.

Increase the reward to risk factor for winning.
award points thru the whole field to accurately gauge everybody's performance

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Oh god...is it bad that I'm an Aerospace Engineer and cannot do simple maths because I've spent all day doing complex calculations to do with Lift Coefficients, Drag Polars and other such teedium.

I'm gonna get an ealy night! 10+8=17...good god.

[ISLAMATRON]

Oh god...is it bad that I'm an Aerospace Engineer and cannot do simple maths because I've spent all day doing complex calculations to do with Lift Coefficients, Drag Polars and other such teedium.

I'm gonna get an ealy night! 10+8=17...good god.

I had those same problems completing my ME degree while driving taxi's and giving people correct change.

[donskar]

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[Spencifer_Murphy]

Sorry for going off topic...

But another points system suggstion might have been a little more productive than tell us we're putting you to sleep

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Oooops, hit quote insted of edit, ended up quoting myself! Sorry.

[Conceptual]

So..everybody agrees, it's just a matter of how many points would be enough to make the difference between first and second. Given that we don't have 24 cars anymore I can't see why we shouldn't go back to the good old 10-6-4-3-2-1 system. Not 12, and definitely not 1000 (I mean, c'mon! That's just silly!)! Or, since the Teams agree on 12 points for the win, I don't see why FIA should listen to Bernie and not the Teams..

Because they were lie to either by Bernie, or his representative at the hearing.

I cannot for the life of me understand how the council was convinced that the teams wanted Bernie's system more than the one that they submitted.

That is simply mind boggling!

Why is there no accountability for this type of action?

[Conceptual]

From Autosport:

FIA believed teams supported new rules

By Simon Strang Saturday, March 21st 2009, 11:24 GMT


The FIA believed it was acting with the full support of the teams when it introduced a new 'winner-takes-all' points system ahead the new Formula 1 season, according to its president Max Mosley.

The sport's governing body announced yesterday that it was prepared to defer the new system until 2010 if the teams were unhappy about it.

This was in response to a statement from the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) on Friday questioning the validity of the rule change.

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph: "Bernie [Ecclestone, F1's commercial rights holder] told me that he talked to all the teams and everybody was happy.

"I was led to believe they all agreed. The World Council was under the impression that they had all agreed."

FOTA believes that the new rules, which will see the world championship handed to the driver with the most wins during the season, could not be changed at this late stage without unanimous support of the teams.

In light of complaints from leading figures, the FIA has now said that if the teams are unhappy then the introduction of the wins systems will be delayed until 2010.

"The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship.

"Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport."

So, with so obvious a lie, will there be anything done to prevent this crap from happening again? Like NOT taking Bernie's word for it?

Gawd, I hate that man!

[Rob W]

We both believe in consistency, but I lean a little bit more towards wins... lets just leave it at that.

Increase the reward to risk factor for winning.

I like this too although I think the whole thing can be boiled down to one question: how much more should a 1st place be rewarded than a second (and so on)?.

I'm personally inclined to think giving 1st double the points of 2nd is too high. But I'd be happy with a rough 1.5 factor... and also rewarding the final podium position more over a 4th place than the 1 point margin it is now.

I also like rewarding consistency and consider a string of three 2nds to be more worthy than a single 1st and two 6th places.

So, excluding this ratio for lower places I'd be happy to see a 15-10-7 and then 5-4-3-2-1. This also gives a two-point buffer from 3rd to 4th - I think this gap should be rewarded more than it is now. (Plus perhaps a point for pole and point for fastest lap)

I'd be keen to continue this points ratio discussion actually. It's an interesting one.

[Rob W]

From Autosport:

FIA believed teams supported new rules

The FIA believed it was acting with the full support of the teams when it introduced a new 'winner-takes-all' points system ahead the new Formula 1 season, according to its president Max Mosley.

This worries me. Max thinks he can simply make up any version of the events he wishes after-the-fact in a weak attempt to cover the blatantly obvious fact that they can't govern reliably. They're a dysfunctional organisation who routinely act in a counter-intuitive manner and seemingly always the opposite to any suggestion coming from the teams - even if they're completely valid ideas. It is almost as if he's trying to prove their independence from outside influence despite the outsiders often having better ideas about things.

[vall]

in the press release there was a line "FIA had been told that the teams supported it" or something similar. I think they should ask them who was the person who told/lied to them? The whole thing absurd, isn't it? The teams came up with official statement and suggestion to change the points. Then FIA comes out saying it had been told the teams support another system? Doesn't make sense to me? It is a big blow for FIA

[Conceptual]

If we are lucky, these ancient men will pass on very, very soon...

Goodness, what would we have left to talk about in a post Max/Bernie regime?

Hopefully, intense, honorable competition between the best teams in the world!

[DaveKillens]

in the press release there was a line "FIA had been told that the teams supported it" or something similar. I think they should ask them who was the person who told/lied to them? The whole thing absurd, isn't it? The teams came up with official statement and suggestion to change the points. Then FIA comes out saying it had been told the teams support another system? Doesn't make sense to me? It is a big blow for FIA

The complete official press release by the FIA is as follows http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressr ... oints.aspx
Press Release
FIA Formula One World Championship 20/03/2009
On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA’s proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One Drivers’ Championship. The ‘winner takes all’ proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved.
If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010.

Bernie is the commercial rights holder. He lied. It's patently obvious that he never solocited a consensus of opinion by the teams.

[vall]

I was thinking lately how to actually reward the drivers for actually overtaking. Obviously if they do that they probably get more points, but nevertheless. The is kind of difficult to do objectively. Let say there have been N overtakes in a given race and let say they all worth between 3 and 5 points for the WDC, but not constructors. The points worth will depend on he overtake difficulty of the track assigned by the drivers and the teams. How should these be distributed among the drivers that did the overtakes in a fair war?

Does this make any sense or it is too complicated and cannot be done objectively?

[jddh1]

Somebody will protest if a certain pass is not valued like another. Too hard to implement in my opinion.