2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[Tvetovnato]

Measly qualifying gap of 2 tenths to Bottas. I am thoroughly unimpressed.

You seem to be in a haze or your math is off. He would have been half a second up on Bottas on the lap you singled out.

Hamilton’s Q2 attempt alone was faster than anything Verstappen was able to do all weekend. Merc was the fastest car this weekend, unfortunately.

Indeed, Lewis made his own life more difficult than it should have been by not starting properly in the sprint race.

It’s never that simple.

Quote from Mark Hughes at The Race:
If the Red Bull was faster, how come Hamilton had qualified fastest on Friday, 0.075s ahead of Verstappen?

“Track the time of day and the track temperatures for every time we ran,” said a Red Bull team member, “and see the correlation to our advantage or disadvantage. Then you’ll have your answer.”

If you read further you will see that below 40 degrees, the Merc was better, and above 40 degrees, the RB was better, which was both the sprint race and actual race.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... one-clash/

[PlatinumZealot]

Measly qualifying gap of 2 tenths to Bottas. I am thoroughly unimpressed.

You seem to be in a haze or your math is off. He would have been half a second up on Bottas on the lap you singled out.

Hamilton’s Q2 attempt alone was faster than anything Verstappen was able to do all weekend. Merc was the fastest car this weekend, unfortunately.

Indeed, Lewis made his own life more difficult than it should have been by not starting properly in the sprint race.

Sigh. Here we go again.

[Wouter]

You seem to be in a haze or your math is off. He would have been half a second up on Bottas on the lap you singled out.

Hamilton’s Q2 attempt alone was faster than anything Verstappen was able to do all weekend. Merc was the fastest car this weekend, unfortunately.

Indeed, Lewis made his own life more difficult than it should have been by not starting properly in the sprint race.

Sigh. Here we go again.

Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.786s ... 1:26.023s ... 1:26.134s
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:26.751s ... 1:26.315s ... 1:26.209s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:27.487s 1:26.764s 1:26.328s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:27.051s 1:26.919s 1:26.828s
5 Sergio Pérez Red Bull 1:27.121s 1:27.073s 1:26.844s
6 Lando Norris McLaren 1:27.444s 1:27.220s 1:26.897s
7 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:27.323s 1:27.125s 1:26.899s

[Tvetovnato]

Hamilton’s Q2 attempt alone was faster than anything Verstappen was able to do all weekend. Merc was the fastest car this weekend, unfortunately.

Indeed, Lewis made his own life more difficult than it should have been by not starting properly in the sprint race.

Sigh. Here we go again.

Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.786s ... 1:26.023s ... 1:26.134s
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:26.751s ... 1:26.315s ... 1:26.209s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:27.487s 1:26.764s 1:26.328s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:27.051s 1:26.919s 1:26.828s
5 Sergio Pérez Red Bull 1:27.121s 1:27.073s 1:26.844s
6 Lando Norris McLaren 1:27.444s 1:27.220s 1:26.897s
7 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:27.323s 1:27.125s 1:26.899s

Read the article I posted above…

[PlatinumZealot]

Hamilton’s Q2 attempt alone was faster than anything Verstappen was able to do all weekend. Merc was the fastest car this weekend, unfortunately.

Indeed, Lewis made his own life more difficult than it should have been by not starting properly in the sprint race.

Sigh. Here we go again.

Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.786s ... 1:26.023s ... 1:26.134s
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:26.751s ... 1:26.315s ... 1:26.209s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:27.487s 1:26.764s 1:26.328s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:27.051s 1:26.919s 1:26.828s
5 Sergio Pérez Red Bull 1:27.121s 1:27.073s 1:26.844s
6 Lando Norris McLaren 1:27.444s 1:27.220s 1:26.897s
7 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:27.323s 1:27.125s 1:26.899s

Temperatures, and tyres and driver maximizing the car. Anyone can see that.

If Merc was faster LH44 would have let Verstappen go to catch him later on the undercut.

You can praise the other team and driver sometime you know. It doesn't hurt. It's a good balance to have. It helps you enjoy the sport more.

[dans79]

Sigh. Here we go again.

Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.786s ... 1:26.023s ... 1:26.134s
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:26.751s ... 1:26.315s ... 1:26.209s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:27.487s 1:26.764s 1:26.328s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:27.051s 1:26.919s 1:26.828s
5 Sergio Pérez Red Bull 1:27.121s 1:27.073s 1:26.844s
6 Lando Norris McLaren 1:27.444s 1:27.220s 1:26.897s
7 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:27.323s 1:27.125s 1:26.899s

Temperatures, and tyres and driver maximizing the car. Anyone can see that.

If Merc was faster LH44 would have let Verstappen go to catch him later on the undercut.

You can praise the other team and driver sometime you know. It doesn't hurt. It's a good balance to have. It helps you enjoy the sport more.

A subset of people on the forum are just to partisan for that. I think it's a sign of how militaristic some people's mindset is, that we literally have people identifying as a member of the "orange army".

[Kingshark]

Temperatures, and tyres and driver maximizing the car. Anyone can see that.

If Merc was faster LH44 would have let Verstappen go to catch him later on the undercut.

The fact that his gap to Bottas in the end was a measly 2 tenths of a second and he messed up his own final attempt suggests that LH44 did not come anywhere near maximizing his own car.

[PlatinumZealot]

Temperatures, and tyres and driver maximizing the car. Anyone can see that.

If Merc was faster LH44 would have let Verstappen go to catch him later on the undercut.

The fact that his gap to Bottas in the end was a measly 2 tenths of a second and he messed up his own final attempt suggests that LH44 did not come anywhere near maximizing his own car.



We can only go by what we know up to that point obviously. He was certainly maximizing the car to get those sectors that much is true. So much so he went over the limit in his usual Silverstone exuberance.

You cherry picked that very same lap to say the Mercedes is leagues ahead of RedBull, now you switch to the previous lap he did, which was a massive 7 hundreths in front of Max??

[Kingshark]

We can only go by what we know up to that point obviously. He was certainly maximizing the car to get those sectors that much is true. So much so he went over the limit in his usual Silverstone exuberance.

You cherry picked that very same lap to say the Mercedes is leagues ahead of RedBull, now you switch to the previous lap he did, which was a massive 7 hundreths in front of Max??

I don’t need to cherry pick anything to prove that Mercedes was fastest at Silverstone. Hamilton’s Q2 lap alone was quicker than anything Verstappen managed in either Q2 or Q3. His Q3 banker was enough for pole, and that lap was nowhere near the maximum of what that car could have achieved. As LH himself showed on his second run until he ran wide.

Secondly, I never said that Mercedes was leagues ahead of Red Bull this weekend. It’s extremely frustrating to debate with someone who constantly misrepresents you in order to make themselves look more reasonable. How about you actually debate me, instead of the imaginary straw-men you are creating?

[101FlyingDutchman]

We can only go by what we know up to that point obviously. He was certainly maximizing the car to get those sectors that much is true. So much so he went over the limit in his usual Silverstone exuberance.

You cherry picked that very same lap to say the Mercedes is leagues ahead of RedBull, now you switch to the previous lap he did, which was a massive 7 hundreths in front of Max??

I don’t need to cherry pick anything to prove that Mercedes was fastest at Silverstone. Hamilton’s Q2 lap alone was quicker than anything Verstappen managed in either Q2 or Q3. His Q3 banker was enough for pole, and that lap was nowhere near the maximum of what that car could have achieved. As LH himself showed on his second run until he ran wide.

Secondly, I never said that Mercedes was leagues ahead of Red Bull this weekend. It’s extremely frustrating to debate with someone who constantly misrepresents you in order to make themselves look more reasonable. How about you actually debate me, instead of the imaginary straw-men you are creating?

Don’t hold your breath. He hasn’t answered any question I’ve asked either

[Tizz]

We seem to able to convert assumptions, opinions and guesses to facts at an amazing speed without actually having access to anything but some laptimes. That is quite remarkable.

[zibby43]

Probably late to the party on this topic, but even if Verstappen was subject to 51G for less than a thousandth of a second, I was exposed to close to 100G for similar durations when I played collegiate tackle football (American football).

Happens when two 180+ lb athletes running at 20+ mph collide at full speed on a kickoff return. I suffered multiple concussions during those days. Helmet safety is now better.

The average g-forces involved in tackling when I played at that level of competition were something like 60G. But the duration, just like the crash, is very short because the loads are peak loads.

In sum, I took harder hits multiple times a game and kept on playing.

[Tizz]

Probably late to the party on this topic, but even if Verstappen was subject to 51G for less than a thousandth of a second, I was exposed to close to 100G for similar durations when I played collegiate tackle football (American football).

Happens when two 180+ lb athletes running at 20+ mph collide at full speed on a kickoff return. I suffered multiple concussions during those days. Helmet safety is now better.

The average g-forces involved in tackling when I played at that level of competition were something like 60G. But the duration, just like the crash, is very short because the loads are peak loads.

In sum, I took harder hits multiple times a game and kept on playing.

Who said it was the deceleration that affected him most?

[f1jcw]

We can only go by what we know up to that point obviously. He was certainly maximizing the car to get those sectors that much is true. So much so he went over the limit in his usual Silverstone exuberance.

You cherry picked that very same lap to say the Mercedes is leagues ahead of RedBull, now you switch to the previous lap he did, which was a massive 7 hundreths in front of Max??

I don’t need to cherry pick anything to prove that Mercedes was fastest at Silverstone. Hamilton’s Q2 lap alone was quicker than anything Verstappen managed in either Q2 or Q3. His Q3 banker was enough for pole, and that lap was nowhere near the maximum of what that car could have achieved. As LH himself showed on his second run until he ran wide.

Secondly, I never said that Mercedes was leagues ahead of Red Bull this weekend. It’s extremely frustrating to debate with someone who constantly misrepresents you in order to make themselves look more reasonable. How about you actually debate me, instead of the imaginary straw-men you are creating?

Do you understand that temperature, setup and tyres are factors that change the performance of cars, whilst it might have got the fastest lap in Q it is not a guarantee it is the fastest car over the weekend. I thought everyone understood that about F1.

[PlatinumZealot]

I don’t need to cherry pick anything to prove that Mercedes was fastest at Silverstone. Hamilton’s Q2 lap alone was quicker than anything Verstappen managed in either Q2 or Q3. His Q3 banker was enough for pole, and that lap was nowhere near the maximum of what that car could have achieved. As LH himself showed on his second run until he ran wide.

Secondly, I never said that Mercedes was leagues ahead of Red Bull this weekend. It’s extremely frustrating to debate with someone who constantly misrepresents you in order to make themselves look more reasonable. How about you actually debate me, instead of the imaginary straw-men you are creating?

Because Lewis is simply quick at Silverstone, Bro. Don't burst your brain distorting this reality into some sort of bite-sized comfort cookie that it's all down to the car. It's not.

From Sky
What's Hamilton's best Qualy circuit?
Hamilton's most successful Grand Prix in terms of pole positions has been the season-opener in Australia. Hamilton has competed in 13 qualifying sessions at Melbourne's Albert Park and has taken an impressive eight poles - that puts him level with Schumacher (Japan) and Senna (Imola) for most poles at the same GP.

Hamilton has seven poles at Hungary, Monza and his home track of Silverstone, while Montreal, Spa, Shanghai and Barcelona also appear to be firm favourites of the seven-time champion.

It would have been 8 poles at Silverstone if not for the sprint race. Max was the first to admit that he didn't get the best lap. Anytime Max cant win the pole he says something like, "They were too quick for us today". He didn't say that this time.