2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[PlatinumZealot]

I thought this was quite interesting, Horner describing a similar incident between Max & Stroll, and he seems fairly clear on the rules here. (no idea why the audio is weird)



EDIT: And Max isn't anywhere near as far alongside in this incident, and Horner is adamant it's Max's corner.

Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting.

[the EDGE]

I thought this was quite interesting, Horner describing a similar incident between Max & Stroll, and he seems fairly clear on the rules here. (no idea why the audio is weird)



EDIT: And Max isn't anywhere near as far alongside in this incident, and Horner is adamant it's Max's corner.

Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting.

Doesn’t sound like there’s anything wrong with the audio to me… A bit less crying than I would expect maybe

[Wouter]

Redbull request stewards review into Hamilton clash

https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/27/off ... nt-4675934

[El Scorchio]

It's absolutely pathetic.

As it would equally be if Mercedes or any other team were doing this.

[nacho]

I wonder what would people think i Lewis lost a wing or tyre or crashed, could have gone that way too.

[godlameroso]

EDIT: And Max isn't anywhere near as far alongside in this incident, and Horner is adamant it's Max's corner.

Nice find and exactly shows the two faced nature of Horner. If Max is on the inside, it's Max's corner, if anyone else is on the inside then "OMG he's trying to kill him!".

A shame that none of the interviews with Horner brought that up. No doubt if they had he'd have shouted "51g, man! 51g!".

It's not two faced, the two incidents are similar but not equal. When Max and Lance collided, Stroll's car wasn't a write-off, there was no destroyed wheel, there was no impact against the wall, Stroll did not need to go to the hospital to get checked out. His race wasn't ruined(he ruined his own race if we're honest), it was a practice incident. I will say that Verstappen was lucky all he got was a grilling from the Mongolian government.

What happened between Hamilton and Verstappen was not the same, it was during the race, the car was destroyed, the impact between the two cars was much greater, at much higher speed. Hamilton almost backed out of it, Verstappen probably thought Hamilton was going to give him the corner so he took it.

I think the only thing missing from Hamilton's penalty is a few points on his license. I don't think it warrants retroactively changing the race results. Besides Mercedes needs all the extra help it can get, because it won't get its 8th title if it only races on track fairly, not at this rate anyway.

[LaplacesDemon]

Let's hope the new evidence is not another Karun Chandhok analysis, not that I have anything against him.

[214270]

Entirely in line with the parent company philosophy, Redbull are here to make noise & sell drinks. It makes no difference how the noise is made, they’ve built a business on harnessing it for profit.

As distasteful as it is, compounded by all of Horners dog-whistling - this is not unexpected.

[Tvetovnato]

Ironic if it’s reversed to be seen as a racing incident instead.

[the EDGE]

[214270]

EDIT: And Max isn't anywhere near as far alongside in this incident, and Horner is adamant it's Max's corner.

Nice find and exactly shows the two faced nature of Horner. If Max is on the inside, it's Max's corner, if anyone else is on the inside then "OMG he's trying to kill him!".

A shame that none of the interviews with Horner brought that up. No doubt if they had he'd have shouted "51g, man! 51g!".

It's not two faced, the two incidents are similar but not equal. When Max and Lance collided, Stroll's car wasn't a write-off, there was no destroyed wheel, there was no impact against the wall, Stroll did not need to go to the hospital to get checked out. His race wasn't ruined(he ruined his own race if we're honest), it was a practice incident. I will say that Verstappen was lucky all he got was a grilling from the Mongolian government.

What happened between Hamilton and Verstappen was not the same, it was during the race, the car was destroyed, the impact between the two cars was much greater, at much higher speed. Hamilton almost backed out of it, Verstappen probably thought Hamilton was going to give him the corner so he took it.

I think the only thing missing from Hamilton's penalty is a few points on his license. I don't think it warrants retroactively changing the race results. Besides Mercedes needs all the extra help it can get, because it won't get its 8th title if it only races on track fairly, not at this rate anyway.

The ‘incident’ is equivalent; the repercussions different.

[SiLo]

EDIT: And Max isn't anywhere near as far alongside in this incident, and Horner is adamant it's Max's corner.

Nice find and exactly shows the two faced nature of Horner. If Max is on the inside, it's Max's corner, if anyone else is on the inside then "OMG he's trying to kill him!".

A shame that none of the interviews with Horner brought that up. No doubt if they had he'd have shouted "51g, man! 51g!".

It's not two faced, the two incidents are similar but not equal. When Max and Lance collided, Stroll's car wasn't a write-off, there was no destroyed wheel, there was no impact against the wall, Stroll did not need to go to the hospital to get checked out. His race wasn't ruined(he ruined his own race if we're honest), it was a practice incident. I will say that Verstappen was lucky all he got was a grilling from the Mongolian government.

What happened between Hamilton and Verstappen was not the same, it was during the race, the car was destroyed, the impact between the two cars was much greater, at much higher speed. Hamilton almost backed out of it, Verstappen probably thought Hamilton was going to give him the corner so he took it.

I think the only thing missing from Hamilton's penalty is a few points on his license. I don't think it warrants retroactively changing the race results. Besides Mercedes needs all the extra help it can get, because it won't get its 8th title if it only races on track fairly, not at this rate anyway.

This takes into consideration the result of the impact, which the stewards don't do.

Anyway, will see what happens Thursday. It may fall on flat fleet before it's even begun.

[djones]

Although F1 will play along, this will get smashed in its tracks asap.

The precedent this would set if anything got changed (race result etc.) would be ridiculous.

[El Scorchio]

Ironic if it’s reversed to be seen as a racing incident instead.

It's not impossible that could happen, but I'm sure this is a massive pandora's box they really don't want to be opening or every race is going to have multiple cases like this.

Also, regardless of the result, Red Bull have made such a rod for their backs now. They are going to have to be 100% squeaky clean going forward. Both drivers on track in every racing move they pull and Horner and Marko off it. Next driver and team that are on the receiving end of 'full Max' is going to want the book thrown at him.

[dans79]

Stroll's car wasn't a write-off, there was no destroyed wheel, there was no impact against the wall, Stroll did not need to go to the hospital to get checked out.

As Masi himself said afterwards, the stewards don't take outcomes into account. If they did, every stewarding decision would be nothing more than teanager level whataboutism!