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kilcoo316 wrote:
myurr wrote:Why oh why can't someone get rid of him?

I know.


Who exactly wants him or the poison dwarf around?


Far more trouble than they are worth IMO.
F1 needs new blood and new thought processes in the upper echelon of Management, but who would take BE's place? any suggestions? Replacing Max would actually be simple.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:F1 needs new blood and new thought processes in the upper echelon of Management, but who would take BE's place? any suggestions? Replacing Max would actually be simple.
Anyone could do it... all he does is negotiate TV contracts and the venues - then takes half the money for himself.


I could do it ffs.


If your not a greedy little sh!t like Bernie, a man could easily make a comfortable living off running F1 (comfortable = £50K per year), without:

a) bankrupting the tracks
b) having F1 in the papers for contract renewal shenanigans every year
c) forcing ill-adised and ill-concieved ideas upon the teams
d) alienating the fans

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myurr wrote:I agree that the pitlane speed limit is a good and sensible thing. I would disagree though with the assertion that racing in the speed limit is relatively okay because of the low speed. All it takes is a small nudge or tap to send a car piling into a group of mechanics or another stationary car at nearly 60mph. That is a very big accident and is likely to end in severe injuries or even fatalities.

Frankly the FIA should have outlawed any side by side racing in the pitlane as soon as it started happening last year. The safe release clause in the rules and should have been strengthened to ban this.

Normally I'm all for racing and against excessive safety, but in this case you're talking about mechanics safety and it shouldn't be compromised through the typical ambiguous FIA rules.

Rather than trying to save F1 from a catastrophe that only he can see, Max should concentrate all his efforts for the next couple of years on providing a stable and unambiguous set of rules for the sport that provide a level playing field within which the teams and drivers compete. Unfortunately he's gone and got himself a God complex and is far more interested in political manouvering, power grabbing, sabre rattling, and bigging up his own preening self importance than actually doing a solid and reliable job or genuinely helping F1.

Why oh why can't someone get rid of him?
i think the new rules they'd be willing to take less risks like that, if overtaking is more possible in the new cars people will be less desperate to take stupid risks because they know they do have a chance of passing someone, whereas before it was basically impossible most of the time

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Can anyone give any reason why the Macca can't adopt similar narrow side pod air inlets as per the drawn car? They're using the same engine so I can't imagine their cooling requirements are radically different and the Kers system has a separate air intake on the underneath of one of the side pods. Any thoughts? Also, for those interested I'm now following 'thefifthdriver' on twitter which is basically short macca updates from the pit crew. The most recent one states that the car is beautiful in 'melbourne spec' lets hope it's a different beast to testing!!

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bonjon1979 wrote:Can anyone give any reason why the Macca can't adopt similar narrow side pod air inlets as per the drawn car? They're using the same engine so I can't imagine their cooling requirements are radically different and the Kers system has a separate air intake on the underneath of one of the side pods. Any thoughts? Also, for those interested I'm now following 'thefifthdriver' on twitter which is basically short macca updates from the pit crew. The most recent one states that the car is beautiful in 'melbourne spec' lets hope it's a different beast to testing!!
Maybe McLaren's cooling systems are not as s mall or efficient of ex-Honda's.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:Can anyone give any reason why the Macca can't adopt similar narrow side pod air inlets as per the drawn car? They're using the same engine so I can't imagine their cooling requirements are radically different and the Kers system has a separate air intake on the underneath of one of the side pods. Any thoughts? Also, for those interested I'm now following 'thefifthdriver' on twitter which is basically short macca updates from the pit crew. The most recent one states that the car is beautiful in 'melbourne spec' lets hope it's a different beast to testing!!
Maybe McLaren's cooling systems are not as s mall or efficient of ex-Honda's.
Yes, that stands to reason...and is embarrassingly obvious! I should've thought of that myself... #-o

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bonjon1979 wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:Can anyone give any reason why the Macca can't adopt similar narrow side pod air inlets as per the drawn car? They're using the same engine so I can't imagine their cooling requirements are radically different and the Kers system has a separate air intake on the underneath of one of the side pods. Any thoughts? Also, for those interested I'm now following 'thefifthdriver' on twitter which is basically short macca updates from the pit crew. The most recent one states that the car is beautiful in 'melbourne spec' lets hope it's a different beast to testing!!
Maybe McLaren's cooling systems are not as s mall or efficient of ex-Honda's.
Yes, that stands to reason...and is embarrassingly obvious! I should've thought of that myself... #-o
that cant be a reason.
Remember mclaren ahs to cool its kers too, wich bgp dont have to.

bgp also is uising other methods to suck the cooling air out, as you see at the rear end the mclaren is alot smaaler then the bgp, so that is a reason too.
Their cooling systems are both evne good, but mclaren is making the car compact at the back but by that has more frontal area, bgp is comprimising with it, less frontal area but also less compact at the rear
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wesley123 wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:Maybe McLaren's cooling systems are not as s mall or efficient of ex-Honda's.
Yes, that stands to reason...and is embarrassingly obvious! I should've thought of that myself... #-o
that cant be a reason.
Remember mclaren ahs to cool its kers too, wich bgp dont have to.

bgp also is uising other methods to suck the cooling air out, as you see at the rear end the mclaren is alot smaaler then the bgp, so that is a reason too.
Their cooling systems are both evne good, but mclaren is making the car compact at the back but by that has more frontal area, bgp is comprimising with it, less frontal area but also less compact at the rear
The flow in must equal the flow out, or else you have a parachute effect. For the most part, the bigger the inlet the bigger the outlet, just cause you havent seen it in the pics doesnt mean its not there. Don't forget that the air expands as it soaks up heat which is its primary purpose. And it slows dont as it hits the radiators.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:The flow in must equal the flow out, or else you have a parachute effect. For the most part, the bigger the inlet the bigger the outlet, just cause you havent seen it in the pics doesnt mean its not there. Don't forget that the air expands as it soaks up heat which is its primary purpose. And it slows dont as it hits the radiators.
no it dont have to, see mclaren, their inlet is twice as big as the outlet

Aint sure tho, but it will create an effect of the air being sucked out, so it doesnt matter.
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wesley123 wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:no it dont have to, see mclaren, their inlet is twice as big as the outlet
Yes it does - the flow in HAS to equal the flow out.


Unless you want to build up an air reserve* - which involves decelerating the air to zero and not reaccelerating it - not good for your drag figures.


*i.e. they do not do this.


Inlet and outlet sizes are only part of the puzzle as the massflow is dependant on air density and air velocity as well as duct cross-sectional area.
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ISLAMATRON wrote:For the most part, the bigger the inlet the bigger the outlet,
Depending on static pressure @ around the outlet.
ISLAMATRON wrote: Don't forget that the air expands as it soaks up heat which is its primary purpose.
Yeap.
ISLAMATRON wrote: And it slows dont as it hits the radiators.
The idea is to decelerate it before it hits the radiators - less drag that way, then achieve maximum acceleration post radiator - to further reduce drag, or even produce a thrust.

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Wow, so not as simple as I thought! As you can probably tell I'm not the most technically minded, which is why I love this forum. There's so much info for me to learn, thanks everyone!

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i dont understand it, why can mclaren then have really minimal outlets but still have bigger inlets?
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wesley123 wrote:i dont understand it, why can mclaren then have really minimal outlets but still have bigger inlets?
They have oulets which are not so easy to see in the pics that we get to see.

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kilcoo316 wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:For the most part, the bigger the inlet the bigger the outlet,
Depending on static pressure @ around the outlet.
ISLAMATRON wrote: Don't forget that the air expands as it soaks up heat which is its primary purpose.
Yeap.
ISLAMATRON wrote: And it slows dont as it hits the radiators.
The idea is to decelerate it before it hits the radiators - less drag that way, then achieve maximum acceleration post radiator - to further reduce drag, or even produce a thrust.
How do they decelerate it? and then how do they reaccelerate it? I know its with the shape of the inside of the sidepod but more specifics would be appreciated.