2021 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort Sept 3 - 5

[godlameroso]

Well, if they ask the FIA, and the FIA tells RBR and Ferrari that they think what Mercedes is doing is legal, then it would be logical to assume they themselves have something they're working on. So in practice it amounts to clarification, besides its not like the FIA makes a habit of making sudden changes that affect Mercedes negatively, they have historically had time to develop counter measures. The delay of oil burning clampdowns, delay of banning DAS, although it's good to see the FIA being fair and giving RBR and the other teams time to strengthen their flexy wings as well. So even if by some form of happenstance, the FIA makes a change against Mercedes, I'm sure they'll have time to develop a countermeasure. They have an extra 1.2 million to spend now, so It'll be fine.

I doubt it's them knowing any inner workings of the Mercedes power unit, probably just got an idea wondering what they're doing. People are allowed to contemplate and form ideas and use their imagination, within reason of course.

[Ryar]

How could Red Bull know where Mercedes have their sensors unless they have inside information? Or is it just a case of throw out some stuff and see if anything sticks?

That's a naive question. Every team would have some insider providing info. Like Mercedes provided info about excess fuel usage of Ferrari in 2019 or Red Bull providing info about oil burning or latest technical directive about ERS towards Honda, which was driven by Mercedes. Don't forget, they have recent hiring from Mercedes for their own Engine program. Nobody cares where they got the info from, if it is pertinent, FIA has a case. Least of all, they can investigate it.

[zibby43]

Honda and RBR both claimed there was no ERS directive. That’s never been confirmed.

Also, this claim reported by AMuS doesn’t make sense. This is an incredibly easy spot for the FIA. There’s no doubt Merc triple-checked the legality of what they were doing. As they always do.

This is a team that went to the board of Daimler to get internal approval of DAS. It’s not like they’ve been secretive about the plenum, either. Allison called it a “sexy looking bulge” at launch lol.

But hey, kudos to RBR for throwing mud at the wall. It’s likely Ferrari fed them some info. to chase. They’re still reeling from what happened after 2019.

[PlatinumZealot]

It would be madness to have the temperature sensors in a misrepresentative position becauase the ECU will not know the right temperature.
The engine mapping is extremely sensitive to air and water temperatures so the rumour is rubbish IMO.

[Ryar]

It's hardly surprising to see some of the ardent Mercedes fans come out defending their team, without even waiting to see what FIA's take going to be. As if, these are the guys who have designed the PU and know RBR's complaint is BS. Until FIA confirms they got a complaint and if yes, until they pass their judgement over the matter, nothing is proven. Neither guilty, nor innocent. Every team has rights to ask question, complain over any matter in the competition and it's upto the judge and jury to have a look into it. Fans dismissing the complaints over their team is really doltish.

[zibby43]

It's hardly surprising to see some of the ardent Mercedes fans come out defending their team, without even waiting to see what FIA's take going to be. As if, these are the guys who have designed the PU and know RBR's complaint is BS. Until FIA confirms they got a complaint and if yes, until they pass their judgement over the matter, nothing is proven. Neither guilty, nor innocent. Every team has rights to ask question, complain over any matter in the competition and it's upto the judge and jury to have a look into it. Fans dismissing the complaints over their team is really doltish.

Do I really need to go back and quote all the flexi-wing posts?



Not to mention, that was even AFTER there was a TD. We have no confirmation of a complaint. Much less a response to a complaint. It’s vaporware. Just like the supposed Honda ERS secret TD.

[Ryar]

It's hardly surprising to see some of the ardent Mercedes fans come out defending their team, without even waiting to see what FIA's take going to be. As if, these are the guys who have designed the PU and know RBR's complaint is BS. Until FIA confirms they got a complaint and if yes, until they pass their judgement over the matter, nothing is proven. Neither guilty, nor innocent. Every team has rights to ask question, complain over any matter in the competition and it's upto the judge and jury to have a look into it. Fans dismissing the complaints over their team is really doltish.

Do I really need to go back and quote all the flexi-wing posts?



Not to mention, that was even AFTER there was a TD. We have no confirmation of a complaint. Much less a response to a complaint. It’s vaporware. Just like the supposed Honda ERS secret TD.

Feel free to go ahead and post those quotes to those who made it. I have no issues.

[nzjrs]

Also, this claim reported by AMuS doesn’t make sense. This is an incredibly easy spot for the FIA. There’s no doubt Merc triple-checked the legality of what they were doing. As they always do.

Remember, flexibility of the rear wing was not illegal until the test was changed, so there is more grey areas than you idealze in your description of how you belive MB operate wrt the 'rules'.

[Juzh]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was supposed to be a clever way of saying they'll likely use their spoon wing.

Ah, I see, but this in itself would be a compromise similar to Hungary where mercedes cleaned house in qualifying and something we know must be avoided. If that's not possible I fear another damage limitation race is incoming.

[Stormblessed]

It's hardly surprising to see some of the ardent Mercedes fans come out defending their team, without even waiting to see what FIA's take going to be. As if, these are the guys who have designed the PU and know RBR's complaint is BS. Until FIA confirms they got a complaint and if yes, until they pass their judgement over the matter, nothing is proven. Neither guilty, nor innocent. Every team has rights to ask question, complain over any matter in the competition and it's upto the judge and jury to have a look into it. Fans dismissing the complaints over their team is really doltish.

Do I really need to go back and quote all the flexi-wing posts?



Not to mention, that was even AFTER there was a TD. We have no confirmation of a complaint. Much less a response to a complaint. It’s vaporware. Just like the supposed Honda ERS secret TD.

Haha don't waste your time. Just wait until the next drama for their team.

That aside curious to see if any official clarifications are requested. Would be very spicy at this stage of the season with so many GP cancellations.

[zibby43]

Also, this claim reported by AMuS doesn’t make sense. This is an incredibly easy spot for the FIA. There’s no doubt Merc triple-checked the legality of what they were doing. As they always do.

Remember, flexibility of the rear wing was not illegal until the test was changed, so there is more grey areas than you idealze in your description of how you belive MB operate wrt the 'rules'.

Not quite. Flexi wings are per se illegal, but the tests that existed to enforce the rule became insufficient, which is why the TD was introduced. Besides, the point was that some were denying it was even deflecting, many were claiming it was irrelevant and that nothing would be done, etc.

[zibby43]

It's hardly surprising to see some of the ardent Mercedes fans come out defending their team, without even waiting to see what FIA's take going to be. As if, these are the guys who have designed the PU and know RBR's complaint is BS. Until FIA confirms they got a complaint and if yes, until they pass their judgement over the matter, nothing is proven. Neither guilty, nor innocent. Every team has rights to ask question, complain over any matter in the competition and it's upto the judge and jury to have a look into it. Fans dismissing the complaints over their team is really doltish.

Do I really need to go back and quote all the flexi-wing posts?



Not to mention, that was even AFTER there was a TD. We have no confirmation of a complaint. Much less a response to a complaint. It’s vaporware. Just like the supposed Honda ERS secret TD.

Haha don't waste your time. Just wait until the next drama for their team.

That aside curious to see if any official clarifications are requested. Would be very spicy at this stage of the season with so many GP cancellations.

True story on the time wasting.

Based on my understanding of the rules regarding thermostatic sensors in the plenum chambers, and like Michael Schmidt reiterated, this is likely nothing more than the type of saber-rattling that RBR unsuccessfully pursued with the FWs.

[GOAT]

It would be madness to have the temperature sensors in a misrepresentative position because the ECU will not know the right temperature.
The engine mapping is extremely sensitive to air and water temperatures so the rumour is rubbish IMO.

Unless there is an algorithm compensating for that..

[nzjrs]

Also, this claim reported by AMuS doesn’t make sense. This is an incredibly easy spot for the FIA. There’s no doubt Merc triple-checked the legality of what they were doing. As they always do.

Remember, flexibility of the rear wing was not illegal until the test was changed, so there is more grey areas than you idealze in your description of how you belive MB operate wrt the 'rules'.

Not quite. Flexi wings are per se illegal, but the tests that existed to enforce the rule became insufficient, which is why the TD was introduced. Besides, the point was that some were denying it was even deflecting, many were claiming it was irrelevant and that nothing would be done, etc.

I know all that, the meta point is its all fan logic and interpretation from here on out, yours included.

Anyway, time to check out of the race threads until the race weekend. This will be my last post here, unless it's not (c).

[Stormblessed]

Do I really need to go back and quote all the flexi-wing posts?



Not to mention, that was even AFTER there was a TD. We have no confirmation of a complaint. Much less a response to a complaint. It’s vaporware. Just like the supposed Honda ERS secret TD.

Haha don't waste your time. Just wait until the next drama for their team.

That aside curious to see if any official clarifications are requested. Would be very spicy at this stage of the season with so many GP cancellations.

True story on the time wasting.

Based on my understanding of the rules regarding thermostatic sensors in the plenum chambers, and like Michael Schmidt reiterated, this is likely nothing more than the type of saber-rattling that RBR unsuccessfully pursued with the FWs.

Not too far fetched. Even Scarbs on Twitter had mentioned that nobody seems to have a working theory despite this rumor being discussed openly for a while.