2021 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort Sept 3 - 5

[GOAT]

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PZ was this you?

It would be great if Hamilton did this himself, excellent stunt!

[RZS10]

On which turn can they overtake on this circuit? I can’t see that point.

Turn 1 and staying side-by-side until turn 2 seems to be possible.

This track is insane, I love it. I don't know how they got Grade 1 certification for it, but I am glad they did.

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

[pantherxxx]

I'm sure Max lost a few tenths in the last lap because of traffic. Would have been the fastest otherwise.

[JordanMugen]

On which turn can they overtake on this circuit? I can’t see that point.

Turn 1 and staying side-by-side until turn 2 seems to be possible.

This track is insane, I love it. I don't know how they got Grade 1 certification for it, but I am glad they did.

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

[Jolle]

Turn 1 and staying side-by-side until turn 2 seems to be possible.

This track is insane, I love it. I don't know how they got Grade 1 certification for it, but I am glad they did.

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

The circuit is a lot different than the pre-1989 track. Pit straight is a lot shorter and only around ⅓ of the old track is used.
Assen is a better track, but Zandvoort has the right backers.

[Wouter]

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PZ was this you?

It would be great if Hamilton did this himself, excellent stunt!

From last night until Sunday evening, all air traffic above (beach/sea) and around Zandvoort and thus the circuit is prohibited.
Except the helicopters for F1 personnel and the police/medical and F1 helicopter.

[the EDGE]

Didn’t see P1, but can someone please explain to me how a Car stopped on track managed to take 38 minutes to recover

Did they have to call the RAC to recover it???

[El Scorchio]

Turn 1 and staying side-by-side until turn 2 seems to be possible.

This track is insane, I love it. I don't know how they got Grade 1 certification for it, but I am glad they did.

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

I bet as with most things it comes down to money. There's a lot to be made from a Dutch GP while there's a successful Dutch driver on the grid. A slight blind eye probably gets turned to a couple of other things.

Just like these street circuits in countries where they are willing to pay FOM a lot of money for the prestige of holding a Grand Prix...

[JordanMugen]

Just like these street circuits in countries where they are willing to pay FOM a lot of money for the prestige of holding a Grand Prix...

Like Australia? There are some shifty fellows in Adelaide and Melbourne. Willing to run a race at a loss year on year seems most concerning -- it was not necessarily a loss-making exercise in '85, but it has almost always been a loss-making exercise in Melbourne with the taxpayer picking up the tab for the shortfall in revenue compared to costs.

[Big Tea]

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

The circuit is a lot different than the pre-1989 track. Pit straight is a lot shorter and only around ⅓ of the old track is used.
Assen is a better track, but Zandvoort has the right backers.

It feels the long dunes are in a different place too, so wind off the sea will be different. The wind tends to change with tide times so if it is more sheltered it will make set up easier, or there could be a change between prack and qualli.

[Jolle]

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

The circuit is a lot different than the pre-1989 track. Pit straight is a lot shorter and only around ⅓ of the old track is used.
Assen is a better track, but Zandvoort has the right backers.

It feels the long dunes are in a different place too, so wind off the sea will be different. The wind tends to change with tide times so if it is more sheltered it will make set up easier, or there could be a change between prack and qualli.

If it’s windy on Saturday, it will be a bit of a gamble, especially in the new section, Marlboro and bocht zonder naam, where you suddenly have a lot of understeer and the turn keeps going and going.. and they will just be sitting there waiting and shouting “grip you damnit”

[El Scorchio]

Just like these street circuits in countries where they are willing to pay FOM a lot of money for the prestige of holding a Grand Prix...

Like Australia? There are some shifty fellows in Adelaide and Melbourne. Willing to run a race at a loss year on year seems most concerning -- it was not necessarily a loss-making exercise in '85, but it has almost always been a loss-making exercise in Melbourne with the taxpayer picking up the tab for the shortfall in revenue compared to costs.

That's interesting- never knew that! I was thinking more Saudi, Azerbaijan, Singapore and the cancelled Vietnam race. At least Baku is actually decent. SA remains to be seen...

Even Valencia I guess was a cash in on Alonso's success to get two GPs a season in Spain.

[loekf2]

Didn’t see P1, but can someone please explain to me how a Car stopped on track managed to take 38 minutes to recover

Did they have to call the RAC to recover it???

Car was not electrically "safe" despite the green light was n. Vettel had clearly a MGU-K issue in the first lap, then went back to the pits, did some something, came back and his engine blew up. So after some hassle with the fire extinquisher, the team had to come back with a laptop to reset the car.

Don't think the blame was on the marshalls. RAC should have put code red on immediately, so marshalls could help Vettel with the fire/smoke.

[RZS10]

Didn’t see P1, but can someone please explain to me how a Car stopped on track managed to take 38 minutes to recover

Did they have to call the RAC to recover it???

Vettel stopped right next to a marshal post at the pit exit (11:46), everyone was staring at him for minutes while he tried to use multiple fire extinguishers which seemingly did not work to his satisfaction (maybe wrong type?) somewhere in that timeframe they went from yellow to a red flag (11:48), then they rolled up with the recovery vehicle (11:51). It went back to yellow (11:53) and back to red (11:55) with Vettel grabbing another extinguisher in the meantime. Then some dudes in grey were trying to look into the hot air exhausts at the back and under the car (12:01), some Aston staff arrived (12:05) and also stared at the car when some dude dressed in yellow finally arrived to theck the car with a multimeter (12:07) and determined that they indeed had to use those thick gloves for recovery, maybe the Aston techs also did something but eventually they dangled the car on the hook (12:12) for fun, it took another few minutes until they managed to get it onto a truck (12:15), which then took the long way around the entire track - for some inexplicable reason they restarted the session another 9 minutes later (12:24).

BTW, it really looked like Ocon deliberately ran Norris off track (?), he was checking the mirrors the entire time and moved even further left when he saw him coming. Looked dirty.

[SiLo]

As a bonus they took it on a parade lap around the entire track instead of putting the car in the first available spot ... cool ...

I understand that they have to be careful if the light on the car isn't green but this really shouldn't take half an hour, they were staring at the car for 15 minutes and it took the guy with the multimeter a mere 12 minutes to take a leisurely stroll to the car in order to confirm (?) that it is indeed unsafe so they had to use gloves when removing it - the FIA really needs to tighten down that procedure.

You'd think all marshals would just have the thick rubber gloves and still be able to work with a live car.