2021 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort Sept 3 - 5

[RZS10]

I read that it was about not wanting the risk of further electronic devices in the car (possible interference). But yea, don't other series blur the lower part of the image to hide whatever is on the wheel?

[GOAT]

-The RedBull has been the car to have at more than half the races so far.

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

[Spacepace]

How come we didnt see any more helmet cam, would have been great to see turn 3 from the drivers eye line.

Only ran it in free practice. Teams haven't agreed to use it during qualifying and race

Did they run it in free practice at Zandvoort ? I don't recall seeing any footage.

I thought they did but I must be misremembering

[NathanOlder]

-The RedBull has been the car to have at more than half the races so far.

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

[Ryar]

-The RedBull has been the car to have at more than half the races so far.

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

Where did he say that so? You are implying it that way. Some cars are easy to extract "close to 100%" and some are just not that easy. Difficult cars require highly skilled drivers to go close to 100%. What has been proven so far is, Mercedes and Red Bull cars are well matched, in terms of ultimate performance. While W12 seems to be easier car to extract full potential, as both drivers are coming close to 100% (one more than the other, but closer), on the other hand, RB16B seems to be far more difficult car as only one driver is managing to come close to 100%. Whether Red Bull have a relatively more inferior second driver, is up for a different discussion. For any team, a W12 sort of situation is sought after and not the RB16B as both drivers can put the car at the front of the field more easily. To that extent, W12 is the better car.

[NathanOlder]

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

Where did he say that so? You are implying it that way. Some cars are easy to extract "close to 100%" and some are just not that easy. Difficult cars require highly skilled drivers to go close to 100%. What has been proven so far is, Mercedes and Red Bull cars are well matched, in terms of ultimate performance. While W12 seems to be easier car to extract full potential, as both drivers are coming close to 100% (one more than the other, but closer), on the other hand, RB16B seems to be far more difficult car as only one driver is managing to come close to 100%. Whether Red Bull have a relatively more inferior second driver, is up for a different discussion. For any team, a W12 sort of situation is sought after and not the RB16B as both drivers can put the car at the front of the field more easily. To that extent, W12 is the better car.

So you are genuinely saying the Mercedes has been the car to have this year ? An easier car to drive isn't a better car. What makes you think that ? All drivers would chose a faster car, even if it is slighty harder to extract that last 0.5%

If Lewis and Max are getting 99% from heir cars, The Mercedes is the better car ? Despite the difference in poles and wins ? You honestly believe that ?

As for your first line, He said "Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?"

If we base it on both cars combined, its lower as sergio has been poor. But that doesnt make the RB16B poor does it. If we look at Maxs performance, the car is brilliant. Max isnt getting obver 100% so that means the RB16B is brilliant and currently better than the W12.

If I had to put a figure on each driver, I would go something like

Max and Lewis both extracting 99% from their cars. Bottas a 98% and sergio a 97%.

I would love to see your figures for the 4 drivers.

[nzjrs]

Max and Lewis both extracting 99% from their cars. Bottas a 98% and sergio a 97%.

I agree with this.

As an aside, my memory is bad, has Lewis had one of his 100% Lewis specials qualy laps yet this year? Those are the ones where I always think of wirh 100%

[GOAT]

-The RedBull has been the car to have at more than half the races so far.

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

Come on man!?

I think some drivers are able to perform closer to the limit of a car than others- and some cars are more difficult to push to the limit than others.

[dxpetrov]

I think it's just about Checko being poor.

[NathanOlder]

Based on what? Max’ performance- or both car results combined?

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

Come on man!?

I think some drivers are able to perform closer to the limit of a car than others- and some cars are more difficult to push to the limit than others.

So your saying something like the W12 is 100%, Lewis gets 97% from it. The RedBull is at 98% and Max gets 100% from it. Therefore is able to beat Lewis.

[NathanOlder]

I think it's just about Checko being poor.

Checo is being poor , thats for sure. It doesn't mean the RB16B isn't better than the W12 though is all I'm pointing out. But there seems to be a few opinions that the W12 is infact the better car so far this season when surely there is no real proof of that.

[TimW]

I actually think that if you would let the drivers on the grid choose a car for the remainder of the season, most would choose the W12 over the RB16B. (I do think the RB16B has slightly more more ultimate pace).

[GOAT]

Don't tell me , your one of these 'people' that believe a driver can extract more than 100% of the cars performance

Come on man!?

I think some drivers are able to perform closer to the limit of a car than others- and some cars are more difficult to push to the limit than others.

So your saying something like the W12 is 100%, Lewis gets 97% from it. The RedBull is at 98% and Max gets 100% from it. Therefore is able to beat Lewis.

Not sure if those percentages are completely accurate, but more or less yeah..

[NathanOlder]

Come on man!?

I think some drivers are able to perform closer to the limit of a car than others- and some cars are more difficult to push to the limit than others.

So your saying something like the W12 is 100%, Lewis gets 97% from it. The RedBull is at 98% and Max gets 100% from it. Therefore is able to beat Lewis.

Not sure if those percentages are completely accurate, but more or less yeah..

How far behind Lewis is Valtteri in % He must be very low if he's driving the best car on the grid.

Also makes me wonder what Lando was on about the other day when he said about Perez being impossible to hold off as he's driving the best car on the grid.

[NathanOlder]

I actually think that if you would let the drivers on the grid choose a car for the remainder of the season, most would choose the W12 over the RB16B. (I do think the RB16B has slightly more more ultimate pace).

I agree, The Mercedes has taken a step in since Silverstone, and there appears to be a few tracks that suit the Merc coming up. Then add to that RedBull happy hunting grounds such as Brazil and Mexico are looking like they could be cancelled, then I agree , the Merc from this point on could be the car to have.