2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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COTA is easier to overtake on than Sochi.
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Any news about Ferrari's new engine? Not expected here?

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godlameroso wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 15:01
COTA is easier to overtake on than Sochi.
I'm not so sure. With all the high speed corners in S1 at CotA it becomes hard to follow, where as Sochi is full of slow corners in S3 and the straight is a good 100m longer in Sochi. The 2 DRS zones in Sochi are seperated by 5 slow and 1 medium speed turn where as CotA's 2 DRS zones are seperated by 3 slow turns, 1 medium speed turn and about 6 fast turns. So I think overall Sochi does make for easier overtaking.
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falonso81 wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 15:28
Any news about Ferrari's new engine? Not expected here?
Turkey, nothing new here.
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No engine change planned for Max as expected:

Verstappen said that if the team does change his engine, it is unlikely to be at this weekend’s race.

“We haven’t really decided yet,” he said. “We’ll see. It’s definitely not the plan to have to take it here."

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With these tiny rear wings that everyone is running with this weekend, how much advantage does DRS provide?

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Very interested to see what McLaren does tomorrow. They should up near the very front if the car display the same qualities its shown all year.

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Gillian wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 19:33
No engine change planned for Max as expected:

Verstappen said that if the team does change his engine, it is unlikely to be at this weekend’s race.

“We haven’t really decided yet,” he said. “We’ll see. It’s definitely not the plan to have to take it here."
How would it work on a weekend with the sprint qualifying? Is the penalty still applied on Sunday, or for the sprint race?

edit: just checked the rules myself. It's on Sunday

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Yup. Sprint qualifying is still just that, qualifying. Don't like it myself and I hope sprint qualifying won't be a mess which impacts the race or worse...

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Gillian wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 09:57
Yup. Sprint qualifying is still just that, qualifying. Don't like it myself and I hope sprint qualifying won't be a mess which impacts the race or worse...
It's really just starting the race on Saturday, red flagging it and then starting from where it left off on Sunday.

It still needs some work, I don't think it should actually count as qualifying, because that still happens on Friday. Really it should be it's own stand alone session, and my personal view is it shouldn't even decide the grid for Sunday, it should just be a sprint race for extra points. If you want drivers to go all out, it needs to be something that won't impact the GP.

Still, it'll be interesting it see if it works any different at Monza.

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NathanOlder wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 16:18
godlameroso wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 15:01
COTA is easier to overtake on than Sochi.
I'm not so sure. With all the high speed corners in S1 at CotA it becomes hard to follow, where as Sochi is full of slow corners in S3 and the straight is a good 100m longer in Sochi. The 2 DRS zones in Sochi are seperated by 5 slow and 1 medium speed turn where as CotA's 2 DRS zones are seperated by 3 slow turns, 1 medium speed turn and about 6 fast turns. So I think overall Sochi does make for easier overtaking.
Well, I fear the difficulty is cooking your tires...
If you start from P10 you need to get well through turn 1. This is only save at COTA, maybe you loose 1 or 2 pos with going outside.
Then you need to overtake 5 cars with a bad tire allocation from Q2 and/or a high deg, so in principle this is easy but they nurse their tires through the S at COTA...so you will loose more than a second only following them closely before the overtake grilling your tires...In S3 you nurse your tires yourself.
In Sochi or Monza on the other hand you do not have this issue. In S3 in Sochi you can follow without cooking the tires. Same at Monza.

Still the 2018 example holds for every one of these tracks:
We have seen fight back from (nearly) the end of the pack in every race on these tracks in 2018. In every of these races Bulls or Ferraris could fight back to the front. Not overtake the front runners necessarily, but at least close up.
Given this history all theory is difficult...I thing they really need to look a Q performance to see who is the enemy.
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Diesel wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 10:07
Gillian wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 09:57
Yup. Sprint qualifying is still just that, qualifying. Don't like it myself and I hope sprint qualifying won't be a mess which impacts the race or worse...
It's really just starting the race on Saturday, red flagging it and then starting from where it left off on Sunday.

It still needs some work, I don't think it should actually count as qualifying, because that still happens on Friday. Really it should be it's own stand alone session, and my personal view is it shouldn't even decide the grid for Sunday, it should just be a sprint race for extra points. If you want drivers to go all out, it needs to be something that won't impact the GP.

Still, it'll be interesting it see if it works any different at Monza.
Yes, but difficult.
At least something like a mixed solution would be good, where you take Q and Sprint, sum up the position.
But I think the sprint does only make much sense with a reverse grid. Then it would be massive with a sum of the positions and quite fair in my point of view.
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basti313 wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 10:31
Diesel wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 10:07
Gillian wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 09:57
Yup. Sprint qualifying is still just that, qualifying. Don't like it myself and I hope sprint qualifying won't be a mess which impacts the race or worse...
It's really just starting the race on Saturday, red flagging it and then starting from where it left off on Sunday.

It still needs some work, I don't think it should actually count as qualifying, because that still happens on Friday. Really it should be it's own stand alone session, and my personal view is it shouldn't even decide the grid for Sunday, it should just be a sprint race for extra points. If you want drivers to go all out, it needs to be something that won't impact the GP.

Still, it'll be interesting it see if it works any different at Monza.
Yes, but difficult.
At least something like a mixed solution would be good, where you take Q and Sprint, sum up the position.
But I think the sprint does only make much sense with a reverse grid. Then it would be massive with a sum of the positions and quite fair in my point of view.
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Just seen Russell's new helmet for Monza, and he has the tiny camera installed like Fernando did at Spa!
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codetower wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 21:24
With these tiny rear wings that everyone is running with this weekend, how much advantage does DRS provide?
Less than with a high camber wing but still effective. I predict we will pretty much just see a big DRS train in THE SPRINT™.
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