2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[dans79]

7 years of absolutely dominant car/team does that to the people. And Lewis is making a lot of mistakes this year. Give them a break, i actually can understand them.

Dont be so easily insulted. Tommorow will be an interesting race and Lewis has quite a big chance to win it, especially since Mercedes is the fastest car in Italy.

I'm sorry but I don't give a crap if it was 50 years worth of Merc dominance. The amount of petulance on this forum is unacceptable period, end of story. What is ridiculous is even if someone says something to the moderation staff nothing seems to happen unless race, religion, or politics is pulled into the childish ranting of a few select individuals on the forum.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Absolute desperatation from Ross Brawn in the media to justify this flop of a format. The top positions were decided in T1, the rest of the sprint was a waste of time. The qualifying on Friday was much more exciting.

[nzjrs]

Finally caught THE SPRINT (tm) on replay. Bla I guess, waste of risk for everyone and no tire strategy tomorrow. Bit surprised at Merc and RB race pace but I guess they were both going as slow as possible considering Bottas penalty tomorrow.

Hopefully a better race tomorrow

[coloradoF1Fan]

I think the Sprints are a little boring after the first few corners or few laps with the majority of teams get into a risk/reward mindset and preserve their position towards the last 3rd of the Sprint. As I was watching the Sprint this morning, I started thinking about ways to spice up the strategy of the whole Sprint weekend since you could need to preserve another set of tires. Not sure if it would do anything but my thoughts...

The big change would be having to start Sunday on the tires that are on the car at the end of the Sprint which could lead to strategy calls like:
1. More tire variety for the Sprint with some team choosing hards for the Sprint to go further into the Sunday race before a pit -- potentially hoping for a safety car or VSC to get a cheaper pit stops.
2. Pitting for fresh tires right before the end of the Sprint to increase your likelihood of a 1-stop on Sunday.
3. This would likely mean the Sprints are won by midfield teams. I'd guess that you could see front runners pit towards the end of the Sprint to optimize race strategy since that's where the bulk of points are.
4. But in a close fight you could have front runners trying to steal the 3 points and hoping for some luck during a race.
5. Not pitting but seeing more two-stop plans on Sunday with a first stop coming only a few laps into the race.

I'm sure there are many more strategies. In addition to the whole Sprint weekend changing the purity of an F1 weekend, one negative (with the current PU rules) could be teams taking on fresh tires at the end of the race dropping them to the back of the Sunday grid but then taking fresh PU components effectively for free. I don't really like that rule anyway so it may not be a bad thing.

Thoughts?

[etusch]

The sprint qualifying format doesn't work. We are just watching the start of the GP on a Saturday.

The top 3 was decided in T1, the other 15 laps were just a waste of time.

But this can be known just only after looking 18 laps

[i70q7m7ghw]

Just have qualifying and a race. This is like that awful format where they did 2 different qualifying sessions and took an average of the two results. It's awful and it needs to go in the bin. It's nothing more than a vanity project for Ross Brawn now.

[RonMexico]

7 years of absolutely dominant car/team does that to the people. And Lewis is making a lot of mistakes this year. Give them a break, i actually can understand them.

Dont be so easily insulted. Tommorow will be an interesting race and Lewis has quite a big chance to win it, especially since Mercedes is the fastest car in Italy.

I'm sorry but I don't give a crap if it was 50 years worth of Merc dominance. The amount of petulance on this forum is unacceptable period, end of story. What is ridiculous is even if some says something to the moderation staff nothing seems to happen unless race, religion, or politics is pulled into the childish ranting of a few select individuals on the forum.

Hamilton isn't infallible just because he is English, he was terrible today when it really mattered and bottled it. Quite reminiscent of 2016 when Rosberg rattled him and then beat him fair and square

[maxxer]

Just have qualifying and a race. This is like that awful format where they did 2 different qualifying sessions and took an average of the two results. It's awful and it needs to go in the bin. It's nothing more than a vanity project for Ross Brawn now.

Yes it seems to be a Brawn child lol , but do they think i am going to watch all of it ? I have a life Ross and its not about F1 anymore and most of the youngsters also are not gonna spend friday till sunday to see a result.

[ispano6]

After Mercedes did that at Spa in (I think) 2018 that’s not allowed anymore. The last new PU is the only one you can use

I seem to remember Button taking a 70 place Grid Penalty in 2015.

Spa 2016, Im pretty sure they changed it after that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Belgian_Grand_Prix

Spa 2016 was Alonso with a 35 grid penalty.
Spa 2015 was 50 for JB, 55 for Alonso.

70 for JB in 2015 Mexico GP.

[NL_Fer]

If they want more spectators on Friday, why not introduce an F1 classic race with screaming V10’s and rookie/guest drivers? And something like a Ferrari vs Merc race with loud GT’s.

[Kingshark]

So the crusade is shoving down our throats that Hamilton is mistake prone and cracks under pressure. And Max is there to show him up.

OK we get it.

We accept it.

Are you happy now?

This constant perputual mantra of "Hamilton is mistake prone he cracks when he has competition!", and "Mercedes is the fastest car!" is actually is against the forum rules of repeating the same doctrine over and over again. It's just tedious.

Can we move on now and just enjoy the races and the technical aspects?

Members continuously posting the same idea or message to prove their right across different threads will be considered spammers and will be treated as such.

In order for it to qualify as spam, you would have to prove that it’s the same posters doing it.

If many different people are all writing roughly the same thing (aka Verstappen is better than Hamilton), then it’s not spam, but merely a general consensus of what the fans think.

[basti313]

Absolute desperatation from Ross Brawn in the media to justify this flop of a format. The top positions were decided in T1, the rest of the sprint was a waste of time. The qualifying on Friday was much more exciting.

Well, then watch Q and the race. No one forces you...

I think the sprint is great. Suddenly we have three sessions that count something. Without the sprint we have three boring session where we at the end try to figure who did what...
Especially if you are at the track. Every day a special and on Friday and Saturday two sessions where you can enjoy the cars and take pictures.

I know that people are a bit desperate that Hamilton can not overtake. But for me it was a completely ok session. In Q you have three exciting laps...today you had a really good start, a restart and a long time waiting for the tires of some people giving up. Nothing wrong here for me, better than a usual Q.

[maxxer]

Absolute desperatation from Ross Brawn in the media to justify this flop of a format. The top positions were decided in T1, the rest of the sprint was a waste of time. The qualifying on Friday was much more exciting.

Well, then watch Q and the race. No one forces you...

I think the sprint is great. Suddenly we have three sessions that count something. Without the sprint we have three boring session where we at the end try to figure who did what...
Especially if you are at the track. Every day a special and on Friday and Saturday two sessions where you can enjoy the cars and take pictures.

I know that people are a bit desperate that Hamilton can not overtake. But for me it was a completely ok session. In Q you have three exciting laps...today you had a really good start, a restart and a long time waiting for the tires of some people giving up. Nothing wrong here for me, better than a usual Q.

Some of us have a life outside F1

[maxxer]

Absolute desperatation from Ross Brawn in the media to justify this flop of a format. The top positions were decided in T1, the rest of the sprint was a waste of time. The qualifying on Friday was much more exciting.

Well, then watch Q and the race. No one forces you...

I think the sprint is great. Suddenly we have three sessions that count something. Without the sprint we have three boring session where we at the end try to figure who did what...
Especially if you are at the track. Every day a special and on Friday and Saturday two sessions where you can enjoy the cars and take pictures.

I know that people are a bit desperate that Hamilton can not overtake. But for me it was a completely ok session. In Q you have three exciting laps...today you had a really good start, a restart and a long time waiting for the tires of some people giving up. Nothing wrong here for me, better than a usual Q.

Some of us have a life outside F1

Tell your family this :

Friday : Daddy cant join for dinner he has to watch qualifying
Saturday : Daddy wont come to your ballet lessons he has to watch sprint race
Sunday : Daddy is busy the f1 race is on

Nice weekend for your children

[BlueCheetah66]

What these Sprint Qualifying's have just re-iterated, is that the normal Q1,Q2,Q3 format is probably as perfect as it will get for F1.