2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Unless they make the sprint race count for more points and therefore greater risks get taken

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As someone else said.. Give them V10 mules, or even some cheap grocery getters, get some guest drivers and celebrities, mix in regular drivers and let them go at it.
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Kingshark wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 23:22
If many different people are all writing roughly the same thing (aka Verstappen is better than Hamilton), then it’s not spam, but merely a general consensus of what the fans think.
That assumes its not several individuals colluding with others to intentionally annoy others, or an individual with several accounts. Behind closed doors it has been discussed amounts several members that's one or potentially both of these cases are currently happening. No one has acted on those assumptions though, because many believe nothing will be done about it.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 00:02
As someone else said.. Give them V10 mules, or even some cheap grocery getters, get some guest drivers and celebrities, mix in regular drivers and let them go at it.
Have a team managers race in shopping cars like they used to do in the 1970s. That’d be more interesting :D

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 23:56
Unless they make the sprint race count for more points and therefore greater risks get taken
Or make the sprint race the positions for the next race :)

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Diesel wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 22:48
Absolute desperatation from Ross Brawn in the media to justify this flop of a format. The top positions were decided in T1, the rest of the sprint was a waste of time. The qualifying on Friday was much more exciting.
Qualifying is frequently the most exciting part of the weekend.

The current qualy format is close to perfect.

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dans79 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 00:03
Kingshark wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 23:22
If many different people are all writing roughly the same thing (aka Verstappen is better than Hamilton), then it’s not spam, but merely a general consensus of what the fans think.
That assumes its not several individuals colluding with others to intentionally annoy others, or an individual with several accounts. Behind closed doors it has been discussed amounts several members that's one or potentially both of these cases are currently happening. No one has acted on those assumptions though, because many believe nothing will be done about it.
Ridiculous, driver of the season right now is Verstappen by a mile with Norris second. Hamilton has been unimpressive

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RonMexico wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 00:32
dans79 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 00:03
Kingshark wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 23:22
If many different people are all writing roughly the same thing (aka Verstappen is better than Hamilton), then it’s not spam, but merely a general consensus of what the fans think.
That assumes its not several individuals colluding with others to intentionally annoy others, or an individual with several accounts. Behind closed doors it has been discussed amounts several members that's one or potentially both of these cases are currently happening. No one has acted on those assumptions though, because many believe nothing will be done about it.
Ridiculous, driver of the season right now is Verstappen by a mile with Norris second. Hamilton has been unimpressive
Hamilton was unimpressive last season also i would put Lecrec above him also and Russel , but Hamilton always ends up in the points somehow

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Hamilton doesn't even deserve this championship anymore...

He has made way too many mistakes this season and Monza should have been an easy win for him but instead it will be an easy win for Max! Max on the other hand has been flawless all year long. He hasn't made any stupid mistakes and he's been up there all the time! I don't know what's going on with Lewis but it reminds me of 2016 when he made mistakes again and again!

I expect tomorrow to be a Monza 2011 (Hamilton vs Schumacher all race long) all over again but with the cars reversed! He won't find a way through on the Mclarens all race long and even if he does find a way Max will be gone already!

Hamilton fan since day one btw...
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Another thing that was apparent today was that the red flag needs to be brought out immediately if there is an incident on lap one. With the awful sprint race being this short, any lap that is not racing is terrible.

And I seriously don't understand how F1 can come to decisions like introducing this kind of thing. It's like they have a picture in their head of what the best scenario is (drivers actually racing hard and taking risks in the sprint), but never consider the probability of that happening (basically zero). They seriously need to try to simulate how the teams would plan a weekend like this, and how the fans will react to the sessions. Not to mention the rules. A driver who qualifies third in Friday qualifying and finishes second in the sprint race should NOT be credited with pole position in the history books. That is properly messed up.

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They are trying to add variables at the cost of tradition and decades of refinement. It’s being done because one team has literally dominated the sport for almost a decade thus handing championships to unworthy drivers. There just has not been competition at the sharp end for a long time now and they’ve had it. It’s the same idiocy as the engine rule change they did in 2014 to go big electric and destroy the sound and feel of the sport that was so important to its sense of intensity and danger. Their desperation to try and control the sport is destroying it. It’s the talent and character of the drivers that should be driving viewership. But it’s not. So to try and equate the situation, the FIA are pulling s#!t like sprint races and basically little to no practice sessions which forces chance because not even an empire like Merc can get it perfect every practice right at the start of the weekend. Expect the corporate lunacy to continue.
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Kingshark wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 23:22
If many different people are all writing roughly the same thing (aka Verstappen is better than Hamilton), then it’s not spam, but merely a general consensus of what the fans think.
I don't think anyone is claiming that. Until they are teammates in the same team, it would be impossible to say. They are merely noting that Hamilton seems a little mistake prone, more like his driving in the exhaust blown diffuser era, which seems to be true.

Verstappen used to be mistake prone, but seems to be better now. He nearly spun out of the lead of the Emilia Romagna GP on the safety car restart, went off at the start in France, and went off circuit while overtaking in the Sakhir GP but that was about it in competitive sessions IIRC. Verstappen did drop the car in practice at Spa though, I can't recall if Verstappen has made any other Free Practice mistakes.
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How impressive is Max though? Not only does he look like best driver on the grid, he gives impression of most composed one. Sad to say but Lewis has been step below this entire season.

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Tvetovnato wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 01:14
A driver who qualifies third in Friday qualifying and finishes second in the sprint race should NOT be credited with pole position in the history books. That is properly messed up.
Why not? Pole position is always credited after grid penalties. The Sprint Race is, albeit illogically, considered to be Qualifying.

I'm not a huge fan of the conservation regulations, but they are what they are.

ferkan wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 01:43
How impressive is Max though?
Max is driving the same as always, his car is just a little bit more competitive. :)

Of course, there is no reference like a Ricciardo or Leclerc or Alonso or indeed Hamilton in the second Red Bull, so it is harder to judge Verstappen's relative performance. Red Bull were keen to secure Russell for this season, but alas it was not to be.

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Wouter wrote:
11 Sep 2021, 22:40
What do they do the pitlane interviews and these interviews too? What a waste of time, why not just televise the press conferences, as Bernie historically did? :)