Toro Rosso STR8 Ferrari

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wesley123 wrote:it was iic
last years STR7:

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I´d think the concept was already to bleed off the excessive pressure at the entrance of the sidepod back then (you can see lthrough the gap)but they have taken the concept further ...
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The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
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shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Indeed! I would like to see a front view as well

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amouzouris wrote:
shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Indeed! I would like to see a front view as well
if you enlarge the image near the "19" it seeams that it forms a kind of a gurney flap.

any chance a part not yet attached?

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shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Modern aircraft control surface design utilizes a flat, square, trailing edge instead of a sharp point trailing edge to prevent the flow at the trailing edge from wandering around over the sharp point from one surface to another. I don't know if this is the same thing.

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flyboy2160 wrote:
shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Modern aircraft control surface design utilizes a flat, square, trailing edge instead of a sharp point trailing edge to prevent the flow at the trailing edge from wandering around over the sharp point from one surface to another. I don't know if this is the same thing.
I think that it was in the 50's when the Kamm tail became popular. From recollection the theory of a squared cut off came from the Hurricane fighter of WW2, also a Kamm design? I may be wrong, as memory fades

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Gary Anderson Analysis of STR exhaust update in Barcelona

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miguelalvesreis wrote:
amouzouris wrote:
shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Indeed! I would like to see a front view as well
if you enlarge the image near the "19" it seeams that it forms a kind of a gurney flap.

any chance a part not yet attached?
With many teams utilizing downwash over the sidepods to aid the coanda effect from the exhausts, could the thickness of the wing over the sidepods - if it is a gurney flap - aid in drawing air out from the sidepod inlet to over the sidepod to with the low pressure area to bring in more air mass to the downwash? Making the coanda-ramp more effective?

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What are the "aero profiled ducts" Gary Anderson is referring too in the pic crucial posted? I do not think they can be the winglets of the rear brakes' drums
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shelly wrote:What are the "aero profiled ducts" Gary Anderson is referring too in the pic crucial posted? I do not think they can be the winglets of the rear brakes' drums
I guess he doesn't mean the brake ducts, but the channels created by the small strakes that guide the exhaust into the gap between the tire and the floor to seal the diffuser. Not quite a duct, but that's what I gathered.

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shelly wrote:What are the "aero profiled ducts" Gary Anderson is referring too in the pic crucial posted? I do not think they can be the winglets of the rear brakes' drums
Oh he is referring to the brake duct winglets, he's stated it many times before. As we have both mentioned before, you have to know when to ignore GA.
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Pierce89 wrote:
shelly wrote:What are the "aero profiled ducts" Gary Anderson is referring too in the pic crucial posted? I do not think they can be the winglets of the rear brakes' drums
Oh he is referring to the brake duct winglets, he's stated it many times before. As we have both mentioned before, you have to know when to ignore GA.
Yes. He still thinks the exhausts are blowing the rear brake duct winglets rather than the edge of the diffuser.
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gilgen wrote:
flyboy2160 wrote:
shelly wrote:The detail I find strange is the very thick trailing edge of the pod wing - will it be a gurney or is it full thickness' last year's was much thinner
Modern aircraft control surface design utilizes a flat, square, trailing edge instead of a sharp point trailing edge to prevent the flow at the trailing edge from wandering around over the sharp point from one surface to another. I don't know if this is the same thing.
I think that it was in the 50's when the Kamm tail became popular. From recollection the theory of a squared cut off came from the Hurricane fighter of WW2, also a Kamm design? I may be wrong, as memory fades
nope, current preferred design is a square edge with height ~0.5% of chord.

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985