2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

[muz]

Watching that leclerc lap he misses a number of apex, and thqt was fast? Either track green or cars/tyres just not working that well.

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[Wouter]

Actually the race pace of RP is up there with the top teams so who knows they might be suited to this track.
Expect a Checho podium.

I don't think so.

Racing Point's Sergio Perez is set to be forced to switch to an older-spec Mercedes engine after he suffered a failure of his new-spec unit in second practice for the Belgian Grand Prix.

The failure will be a cause for concern for Mercedes, as all six drivers from the works team, Racing Point and Williams took the new upgraded spec on Friday morning, comprising a V6, turbo and MGU-H.
The HPP factory in Brixworth will investigate the cause of Perez's issue overnight.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pere ... a/4524932/

[Wouter]

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Actually the race pace of RP is up there with the top teams so who knows they might be suited to this track.
Expect a Checho podium.

I don't think so.

Racing Point's Sergio Perez is set to be forced to switch to an older-spec Mercedes engine after he suffered a failure of his new-spec unit in second practice for the Belgian Grand Prix.

The failure will be a cause for concern for Mercedes, as all six drivers from the works team, Racing Point and Williams took the new upgraded spec on Friday morning, comprising a V6, turbo and MGU-H.
The HPP factory in Brixworth will investigate the cause of Perez's issue overnight.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pere ... a/4524932/

Using the old Spec 2 engine is not perfect of course, but pace-wise it shouldn't be too much of an issue. Maybe a tenth or so. So still good enough to fight for 6th - and for more than that he needs a couple of DNFs anyway, no matter what

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[drunkf1fan]

Actually the race pace of RP is up there with the top teams so who knows they might be suited to this track.
Expect a Checho podium.

I don't think so.

Racing Point's Sergio Perez is set to be forced to switch to an older-spec Mercedes engine after he suffered a failure of his new-spec unit in second practice for the Belgian Grand Prix.

The failure will be a cause for concern for Mercedes, as all six drivers from the works team, Racing Point and Williams took the new upgraded spec on Friday morning, comprising a V6, turbo and MGU-H.
The HPP factory in Brixworth will investigate the cause of Perez's issue overnight.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pere ... a/4524932/

Two new engines in Racing Point and two engine effecting fires that looked fairly similar iirc, fire out the back, not a big ball of smoke or anything else. They said back then that it was a hydraulic leak that turned fire (not sure if hydraulic fluid at a certain temp can cause a fire like if it sprayed on the exhaust, or if they mean lack of hydraulic pressure sent temps on something through the roof and caused a fire), which if it wasn't an excuse could mean RP just kinda suck at adapting to a new engine and routing cables, don't have enough cooling or run some cables nearer to a hot point than the other Merc teams.



In terms of performance from those graphs, the RP numbers are pretty amazing in that they are way faster than anyone but Ferrari on the straights so you'd somewhat expect them to lose more in corners than almost anyone else as it's usually two sides of the same coin but their cornering performance is trumping Mclaren, miles better than Haas in low/medium speed corners. I'm not sure if their car is just great at Spa, or if they had the engine turned up.

[zibby43]

In terms of performance from those graphs, the RP numbers are pretty amazing in that they are way faster than anyone but Ferrari on the straights so you'd somewhat expect them to lose more in corners than almost anyone else as it's usually two sides of the same coin but their cornering performance is trumping Mclaren, miles better than Haas in low/medium speed corners. I'm not sure if their car is just great at Spa, or if they had the engine turned up.

On the season, Racing Point have typically lapped 2.3% slower (source: Racefans.net) than Mercedes W10. On Friday, Perez was only around a tenth of a second slower than the fastest Merc. Spa may be a strong track for Racing Point, but not that strong. With Merc's history of running turned down on Friday (especially when they have new specification PUs fitted), and based on the season-long data and the graphs above, I wouldn't be surprised if Merc has at least a second worth of pace in hand.

What remains to be seen is how much faster the Ferraris can go on the straights.

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Two new engines in Racing Point and two engine effecting fires that looked fairly similar iirc

they seemed to have a fairly similar day in general



https://www.racingpointf1.com/news/2019 ... nt-f1-team

[drunkf1fan]

Hehe, I mean I should have specified in particular that it happened to Stroll in., Canada I think? But yeah, I think someone at RP may have copy and pasted that a bit to quickly :p

[Spacepace]

underwhelming friday. slow cars, no one really going for it.. hopefully everyone picks up the pace tommorow for fp3 already so we can get a bit clearer picture

leclerc's p1 lap from fp2. car simply isnt settled, but same could be said for pretty much everyone. Im not quite sure what's going on.

https://streamable.com/3cloi
https://streamable.com/3cloi

Could be high track temps. After fp2 Verstappen said they had to turn the engine way down due to heat. Could be a situation like Austria

[NL_Fer]

Force India always has been strong here in Spa. Fisichella almost won 2009, if Raikkonen didn’t have kers. Hope they can revive the new engine.

[siskue2005]

Force India always has been strong here in Spa. Fisichella almost won 2009, if Raikkonen didn’t have kers. Hope they can revive the new engine.

I am tired of this comment from people for a decade now!
If Raikkonen didnt have KERS, then his car would have been more balanced and in correct weight band and ferrari would not have to compromise their car and would have won the race anyways!!

[iotar__]

Force India always has been strong here in Spa. Fisichella almost won 2009, if Raikkonen didn’t have kers. Hope they can revive the new engine.

I am tired of this comment from people for a decade now!
If Raikkonen didnt have KERS, then his car would have been more balanced and in correct weight band and ferrari would not have to compromise their car and would have won the race anyways!!

Absurd. Kers was an advantage and the only (let's say almost) reason FI lost the race. It was as unfair as it gets in motorsport. It was a start aid and an overtake button FFS. No one cared because Ferrari and McLaren had it. Whereas RB's flapping FW - booo, unfair.

"If Raikkonen didnt have KERS, then his car would have" - no it would not have. A. Made up alternative reality B. Balance because of KERS was not Ferrari's 2009 major problem. They couldn't make double diffuser work switched all focus to 2010 and lost again. C. McLaren were fine. Result from a decade ago of course has no connection to FI performance now.

About 2019 GP: Ferrari's straight line advantage WTF???!! What about different thread tyres, not stopping them here ?

[siskue2005]

Force India always has been strong here in Spa. Fisichella almost won 2009, if Raikkonen didn’t have kers. Hope they can revive the new engine.

I am tired of this comment from people for a decade now!
If Raikkonen didnt have KERS, then his car would have been more balanced and in correct weight band and ferrari would not have to compromise their car and would have won the race anyways!!

Absurd. Kers was an advantage and the only (let's say almost) reason FI lost the race. It was as unfair as it gets in motorsport. It was a start aid and an overtake button FFS. No one cared because Ferrari and McLaren had it. Whereas RB's flapping FW - booo, unfair.

Wow! how can something which was legal and allowed by fia be UNFAIR??

"If Raikkonen didnt have KERS, then his car would have" - no it would not have. A. Made up alternative reality B. Balance because of KERS was not Ferrari's 2009 major problem. They couldn't make double diffuser work switched all focus to 2010 and lost again. C. McLaren were fine. Result from a decade ago of course has no connection to FI performance now.

Brawn explained the disadvantages with KERS:

The theoratical advantage of having KERS is perhaps two or three tenths a lap, but you have to carry 20 or 30kg extra for that.

But there are other negative aspects in relation to KERS, for instance the control over the amount of braking at the rear end. KERS will be powered by the rearaxle and the brakes, but the torsional moment of the rearaxle could change as soon as the storage element is fully charged. That’s one of the difficult points you have to deal with. So you win two or three tenths, but you lose in terms of weight, packaging and torsional moment at the back. There in any case is no clear decision on KERS.

I think it will take a while before we can eliminate the disadvantages. There will be a number of versions of KERS – and perhaps there will be more versions that we haven’t thought of so far. For us the system only starts to work when we overcome the disadvantages.
https://www.racefans.net/2008/06/14/ker ... gh-for-f1/


and old article on how KERS is disadvantages to run in 2009 by none other than Ross Brawn! ( whose words i would take rather than someone random on internet.)

About 2019 GP: Ferrari's straight line advantage WTF???!!

<sarcasm on> it must aero, as merc have the best engine <sarcasm off>