Flexiwings 2024

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SiLo wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 10:38
peewon wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:53
Ferrari copied Mercedes for that. The rear wing AM made was also legal. It was specifically outlawed on the basis of it creating turbulent air and thus violating the 'spirit of the regulation'. Like they came out and said this. AM's front wing last season would also pass all legality checks. The ride height fiasco was the biggest giveaway of preferential treatment. One team struggles to make their cars work and FIA sabotage their own regulations.
The ride height fiasco supported by multiple teams and drivers? You're just regurgitating what the press smashed into everyone's faces for weeks because it was easy clicks and generated rage induced engagement.
peewon wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:53
I would buy this argument if Russell had been just as harshly penalized in Japan for divebombing Piastri and making significant contact. In fact there was no action taken. Its completely inconsistent.
The Stewards being inconsistent has been a thing for years, you will find hundreds of posts about it on this very forum.
peewon wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:53
Again Mercedes didnt go after FIA, they went after one person, Ben Sulayem. Its obvious to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking that they want this guy removed. Probably because hes the spanner in the works for them. Filing legal action over a nothing 2 day "we'll look into it" process doesnt make any sense. If anyone she should have been mad at the tabloid. There is absolutely no mention of anything that the FIA did thats egregious. Just vague ranting to create the desired headlines. This is why his past statements were also brought up. To drum up public sentiment for hi removal.
Wolff not liking BS is well know, but it's not like BS is doing wonders for this sport. Whether Wolff is acting specifically in his own self interest or at least, some of the sport is yet to be seen, but BS has not been a good appointment (see here). Their response to the FIA launching an investigation with no communication was fair. Trivialising it by calling it a "nothing 2 day we will look into it process" is wide of the mark.
peewon wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:53
Remember when Toto knew exactly how many teams were going to be punished in the cost cap scandal before any official news? These guys are in balls deep with the FIA.
A Team Principle knowing information that the public are not privvy to? Colour me shocked. I believe Zak Brown also made allusions to this but I notice you didn't include him either.

I won't respond anymore, your bias is clear.
I would add to this. That this kinda stuff is pretty normal that there are somewhat open secrets/confidential details contained within any industry esp those that work in it. Doesn't always mean there is anything dodgy. If say in this case the FIA was seeking more clarification on spending from RBR, admin stuff somewhere may have said something, or Lawyers talking to other lawyers and so on.

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ispano6 wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 01:47
A nice read on the flexi-wings purportedly contributing to Mercedes and McLaren's turn of form.

https://www.planetf1.com/features/uncov ... es-mclaren

One thing these designs are reminding are of the spoon tip front wings of 2005-6 cars and with the changes Mercedes has made to their front wing leading edge gap, in my mind, shows how they could be using the flexible nature of the main plane to act as a sort of leaf spring type mass damper.

Tightening the gap could be a form of controlling the damping and rebound response.
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I think there is a good idea in your comment.
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Selected teams will be required to fit their cars with additional wireless recording cameras to check for flexi-wing elements in Belgian GP from FP3 onwards.

The location of these cameras has been specified by the FIA and will be "focused on the inboard facing nominally vertical surfaces…to track the translation and rotation of target dots."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-t ... /10635869/

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Wouter beat me to it.

Be interesting to see who it potentially affects the most. Clearly there is something more to it than what some said there was/wasnt.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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organic wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 18:25
Selected teams will be required to fit their cars with additional wireless recording cameras to check for flexi-wing elements in Belgian GP from FP3 onwards.

The location of these cameras has been specified by the FIA and will be "focused on the inboard facing nominally vertical surfaces…to track the translation and rotation of target dots."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-t ... /10635869/
After saying it was fine...
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FIA saw Aston follow suit on the front wing and said oh no you don't.

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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 18:35
organic wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 18:25
Selected teams will be required to fit their cars with additional wireless recording cameras to check for flexi-wing elements in Belgian GP from FP3 onwards.

The location of these cameras has been specified by the FIA and will be "focused on the inboard facing nominally vertical surfaces…to track the translation and rotation of target dots."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-t ... /10635869/
After saying it was fine...
Probably other teams following suit is putting pressure on FIA. There are now at least 3 teams with a very flagrant front wing design . Rb are also placing more and more pressure on FIA to police it.

Maybe RB have been squirreling away looking into this area and then went to FIA and said look we found a way within the rules to do this and circumvent what you're trying to prevent.. Now that it's been demonstrated as possible you should look at this issue more closely etc

McLaren and mercedes have it, RB and Ferrari are unhappy. Amr have it and then you've got alpine, Haas and vcarb unhappy too

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Another technical directive for no reason! The FIA just can’t stop changing things right when racing becomes good…

We all know which team is behind this! Every single time someone comes close to them they start moaning to the FIA! What a joke…

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Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:15
Another technical directive for no reason! The FIA just can’t stop changing things right when racing becomes good…

We all know which team is behind this! Every single time someone comes close to them they start moaning to the FIA! What a joke…
Like such a statement wouldnt be the same for all the teams no?

Just have a think who has been behind the TD's over the last 3/4 years....
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:16
Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:15
Another technical directive for no reason! The FIA just can’t stop changing things right when racing becomes good…

We all know which team is behind this! Every single time someone comes close to them they start moaning to the FIA! What a joke…
Like such a statement wouldnt be the same for all the teams no?

Just have a think who has been behind the TD's over the last 3/4 years....
Red Bull whenever someone gets too close for comfort…

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The updated TD034G directive introduces front wing deflection measurements using cameras and markers properly placed in accordance with FIA recommendations

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Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:32
chrisc90 wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:16
Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:15
Another technical directive for no reason! The FIA just can’t stop changing things right when racing becomes good…

We all know which team is behind this! Every single time someone comes close to them they start moaning to the FIA! What a joke…
Like such a statement wouldnt be the same for all the teams no?

Just have a think who has been behind the TD's over the last 3/4 years....
Red Bull whenever someone gets too close for comfort…
As if it's unusual for FIA to investigate flexi wings closely

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Selected teams will be required to fit their cars with additional wireless recording cameras to check for flexi-wing elements in Belgian GP from FP3 onwards.
Does this mean that teams who have not been "selected" can bring an extra flexible wing to Belgium?
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Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:32
chrisc90 wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:16
Tommy.G wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:15
Another technical directive for no reason! The FIA just can’t stop changing things right when racing becomes good…

We all know which team is behind this! Every single time someone comes close to them they start moaning to the FIA! What a joke…
Like such a statement wouldnt be the same for all the teams no?

Just have a think who has been behind the TD's over the last 3/4 years....
Red Bull whenever someone gets too close for comfort…
And the others that there have been? Mercedes about the floors/bouncing. Mercedes about pitstop equipment. Mercedes/RB working together to stop Ferrari's illegal engine. Thats just a few!
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:54
Selected teams will be required to fit their cars with additional wireless recording cameras to check for flexi-wing elements in Belgian GP from FP3 onwards.
Does this mean that teams who have not been "selected" can bring an extra flexible wing to Belgium?
They'd still have to pass the usual stringent load tests