2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[vas_04614]

Thanks, normally we will get an idea on tyre deg during FP2 long runs but it's sprint weekend.

So we'll get answer directly in sprint race on sat morning.

[-wkst-]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

raikkonen was off the mark for several years before he finally retired. the difference here is that alonso still performs 9 out of 10 races and on the 11th there are people that come on specifically to point out how old he is.the two examples dont have anything in common. nobody is calling for every other driver that made mistakes in the rain (which is every driver) to be sacked. or maybe they are and i just havent been in the threads. rather harsh fanbase if thats the case. it is what it is.

I brought the RAI example, because his fans always had excuses, like I witnessed against ALO in 2014. It was never the drivers fault, which I always found quite ridiculous.


Anyway, the sum up from ashwinv16 is not correct in my opinion. They were faster in Q than the results showed. 1:16.288 mid Q1, that’s only 6 tenths away from P5 in Q3 with massive track evolution…

In the race there were ups and downs pace wise, STR uncompetitive. Comparisons to Mercedes are silly at this point, RUS (not the rookie in the other car) was half a minute in front of ALO, when he crashed…

[diffuser]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

raikkonen was off the mark for several years before he finally retired. the difference here is that alonso still performs 9 out of 10 races and on the 11th there are people that come on specifically to point out how old he is.the two examples dont have anything in common. nobody is calling for every other driver that made mistakes in the rain (which is every driver) to be sacked. or maybe they are and i just havent been in the threads. rather harsh fanbase if thats the case. it is what it is.

I brought the RAI example, because his fans always had excuses, like I witnessed against ALO in 2014. It was never the drivers fault, which I always found quite ridiculous.


Anyway, the sum up from ashwinv16 is not correct in my opinion. They were faster in Q than the results showed. 1:16.288 mid Q1, that’s only 6 tenths away from P5 in Q3 with massive track evolution…

In the race there were ups and downs pace wise, STR uncompetitive. Comparisons to Mercedes are silly at this point, RUS (not the rookie in the other car) was half a minute in front of ALO, when he crashed…

Yes but we don't know Alonso's real possible pace. He was stuck behind Gasly. Two Laps before the crash he asked what lap it was then said " Ok, Let's go!" and there was an uptick in his pace. He was gonna pass Gasly and start to make in roads....unfortunately.

[Sedaxel]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

raikkonen was off the mark for several years before he finally retired. the difference here is that alonso still performs 9 out of 10 races and on the 11th there are people that come on specifically to point out how old he is.the two examples dont have anything in common. nobody is calling for every other driver that made mistakes in the rain (which is every driver) to be sacked. or maybe they are and i just havent been in the threads. rather harsh fanbase if thats the case. it is what it is.

I brought the RAI example, because his fans always had excuses, like I witnessed against ALO in 2014. It was never the drivers fault, which I always found quite ridiculous.


Anyway, the sum up from ashwinv16 is not correct in my opinion. They were faster in Q than the results showed. 1:16.288 mid Q1, that’s only 6 tenths away from P5 in Q3 with massive track evolution…

In the race there were ups and downs pace wise, STR uncompetitive. Comparisons to Mercedes are silly at this point, RUS (not the rookie in the other car) was half a minute in front of ALO, when he crashed…

Yeah, and Alo was considerably faster than Gasly, so obviously he could have been much closer to the cars ahead if he wasn't 30 laps blocked, since he didn't even try to overtake as it was virtually impossible (staying in the dry lane was a must, unless you're 2 seconds faster). So, no, half a minute is not a valid metric, sorry. He'd maybe have been far from Rus, but not half a minute.

Aston is obviously not at Mercedes level, but I do think they're not that far as they were last year.

Well, China will tell us where everyone is.

[zoroastar]

yeah to me it seems a lot more positive than the start last year. no matter where they are in terms of everyone else, it seems like they have pretty good qualifying pace while not getting swallowed up by half the field when the race starts. even if racing bulls and williams seem to be really fast, the aston is a more well rounded car than theyve had since the beginning of 23. and hopefully with the changes theyve made they can actually move forward instead of back. only one race though so fingers crossed. i think cowell is doing a great job so far as TP

[Alonsoforever]

Hello all! This is my first post. There is a great pic of Alonso going over the gravel and loosing control of the car... how do i popst the pic? You can see it in this link

https://www.todoalicante.es/english/alo ... 10-nt.html

[-wkst-]

I mentioned the 30 sec gap to RUS, because on the other side someone mentioned that ALO "pulled away" from ANT in the last laps (what he didn't, before his crash ANT was only 2 tenths slower) and suggested therefore that they might be faster than Mercedes. I mean such conclusions are so silly, that's cherry picking. Comparing the faster car of team A with the slower car of team B, only in certain amount of laps.

For me it's not clear if Alpine is fast or slow, as there was a train behind TSU and nobody was able to overtake, as the delta was too big.

Same goes for the setup theory, AMR had the wrong setup because they were bad in S3. Maybe the car just isn't good enough there (like others)? Traction is key in S3...

[collindsilva]

Let us wait until the next race, it should paint a clearer picture. seems AMR in 7th position in tie with alpine...
Yesterdays race Alo race pace was good compared to Str, unless it is setup related, maybe Alo was more inclined to wet weather and Str for dry.

[Fluido]

Will Newey develop a 2025 car or he will already move on to a 2026 car?
Does it even make sense waste time on slow 2025 car?
Is Aston strategy known?

[selvam_e2002]

Only AMR management knows if they are going to put any effort on 2025 with help of Newey.

[Fluido]

Only AMR management knows if they are going to put any effort on 2025 with help of Newey.

what do you think

[diffuser]

Only AMR management knows if they are going to put any effort on 2025 with help of Newey.

what do you think

Alonso was quoted in an interview, that Lawrence told him, that they can't tell Newey what to work on. The deal is, he works on whatever he thinks is more important. Even if he chooses not to work on the 2025 car, it doesn't mean he will not have guidance from his leanings on this generation of aero to pass on to the engineers there that will help the progression of this year's car.

[zoroastar]

Only AMR management knows if they are going to put any effort on 2025 with help of Newey.

what do you think

Alonso was quoted in an interview, that Lawrence told him, that they can't tell Newey what to work on. The deal is, he works on whatever he thinks is more important. Even if he chooses not to work on the 2025 car, it doesn't mean he will not have guidance from his leanings on this generation of aero to pass on to the engineers there that will help the progression of this year's car.

it may come down to whether or not newey thinks the upgrades that they already have in the pipeline will work or not, or how certain the team are this time around. they are probably thinking the best situation would be for newey to only concentrate on 26 of course.

[GoranF1]

Strange F1 season. It looks like all teams whitin 1.3 sec. whit AM somewhere in the middle.
Especially tight midfield behind top 4.
Maybe 4 teams whitin 0.2 in the midfield and not to far from Ferrari in race pace.
I think it will be interesting to see how this progress for Aston i wouldn't discount a podium in second part of the season.

[zoroastar]

Hello all! This is my first post. There is a great pic of Alonso going over the gravel and loosing control of the car... how do i popst the pic? You can see it in this link

https://www.todoalicante.es/english/alo ... 10-nt.html

https://s1.ppllstatics.com/rc/www/multi ... alonso.JPG

wow i couldnt see that much gravel on the tv. surprised there werent more problems than just alonso. maybe helped out by the safety car he caused. it looked like gasley kicked out some of it right in front alonso