Ferrari F10

[ringo]

12 more horsepower from changing seals that allow for a different oil formulation.
Nice upgrade.

[Sean H]

Can't beat more horsepower and better reliablity.

[Holm86]

I really thinks that's a load of bull sh**. Why not make a larger nitrogen tank??

[segedunum]

That's an impressive boost in power and is at the top end of what I would expect from gains in allowed homologation changes.

[Intego]

That's an impressive boost in power and is at the top end of what I would expect from gains in allowed homologation changes.

And that (plus the f-duct?) resulted in the highest top speed of nearly 312 kph ...

[Intego]

I really thinks that's a load of bull sh**. Why not make a larger nitrogen tank??

What for? Ferrari has never claimed that they could not finish the race. They're not virgin, they've got the red goddess.

[autogyro]

Typical Ferrari, that has ruined my season.
At least an extra 20 hp what a con.
If I was a team owner I would go ballistic.

[Miguel]

Typical Ferrari, that has ruined my season.
At least an extra 20 hp what a con.
If I was a team owner I would go ballistic.

I think that gaining 20 HP with that change is up there with knowing with precision the position and momentum of an electron. Seriously speaking, if they gained 20 HP with a change other teams admitted, their previous valves must have sucked BIG time.

Although reading scarbs' blog again... maybe they did suck after all.

EDIT: From reading Intego's post, I can't help this:

Like a Virgin... turu tu. Running out of fuel for the very first time. Like a Viiiiirgin

[donskar]

Typical Ferrari, that has ruined my season.
At least an extra 20 hp what a con.
If I was a team owner I would go ballistic.

Have you read this? --

Teams are however allowed to make changes to the their engines for reliability reasons, this applies both to resolving issues that have ‘blown up’ engines, as well as impending failures. To request a change, teams have to apply to the FIA outlining the reason for the change and the resulting changes. This information is passed around the other engine suppliers, this transparency helps to reduce excessive changes and reassures teams what their rivals might or might not be getting up to.

Ferrari had a problem. They requested permission to fix the problem. Permission was granted. What they did to their engine was shared with other engine suppliers. And I believe Scarbs said they gained 12 HP, not 20?

A different PVRS set up, with different seals and revised oil formulation to aid sealing, the engine is now believed to be more powerful by some 12 horse power.

The constant attacks on Ferrari are a continuing source of amusement. If they were an also-ran, no one would say anything. Their position as one of the greatest teams in F1 history makes them an easy target by those who envy their success.

[autogyro]

Typical Ferrari, that has ruined my season.
At least an extra 20 hp what a con.
If I was a team owner I would go ballistic.

Have you read this? --

Teams are however allowed to make changes to the their engines for reliability reasons, this applies both to resolving issues that have ‘blown up’ engines, as well as impending failures. To request a change, teams have to apply to the FIA outlining the reason for the change and the resulting changes. This information is passed around the other engine suppliers, this transparency helps to reduce excessive changes and reassures teams what their rivals might or might not be getting up to.

Ferrari had a problem. They requested permission to fix the problem. Permission was granted. What they did to their engine was shared with other engine suppliers. And I believe Scarbs said they gained 12 HP, not 20?

A different PVRS set up, with different seals and revised oil formulation to aid sealing, the engine is now believed to be more powerful by some 12 horse power.

The constant attacks on Ferrari are a continuing source of amusement. If they were an also-ran, no one would say anything. Their position as one of the greatest teams in F1 history makes them an easy target by those who envy their success.

I do not envy Ferraris success. Good luck to them, all they have this year is Alonso and that is a mixed blessing. I do not like any team gaining advantage by manipulating the regulations against the principles of the sport. Fixing a pressure problem with pneumatic valves IMO technicaly, should have resulted in LESS power not more. Let us assume that the valve train on the Ferrari engine worked ok before the fix at least for guali. Fitting better seals should have extended reliability of the system at the same or maybe less power output. Improving sealing should also have reduced valve cooling not improved it. Non of the changes should have resulted in increased power AND increased strait line speed. No way.

[Afterburner]

Wake up, mercedes kept improving their engine throw seasons, ferrari did it now and renault will do it in the future, no doubt about that, please stop with the "ferrari are cheating" thing, it's just envy talk.

[autogyro]

Wake up, mercedes kept improving their engine throw seasons, ferrari did it now and renault will do it in the future, no doubt about that, please stop with the "ferrari are cheating" thing, it's just envy talk.

This is a technical site, perhaps you would like to explain how a reliability repair has resulted in an increase in power and top speed when it should have resulted in a reduction?
Forget all the rubbish about envy and be technical.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Wake up, mercedes kept improving their engine throw seasons, ferrari did it now and renault will do it in the future, no doubt about that, please stop with the "ferrari are cheating" thing, it's just envy talk.

This is a technical site, perhaps you would like to explain how a reliability repair has resulted in an increase in power and top speed when it should have resulted in a reduction?
Forget all the rubbish about envy and be technical.

An increase in reliability does not nessecarily equate to a reduction in power. In order to increase their reliability Ferrari are able to change certain parts of the engine. These parts will be redesigned, and during this process Ferrari will design these items not only to be more reliable but also to provide more power.

And bear in mind, I'm a Mclaren fan.

[Miguel]

Wake up, mercedes kept improving their engine throw seasons, ferrari did it now and renault will do it in the future, no doubt about that, please stop with the "ferrari are cheating" thing, it's just envy talk.

This is a technical site, perhaps you would like to explain how a reliability repair has resulted in an increase in power and top speed when it should have resulted in a reduction?
Forget all the rubbish about envy and be technical.

Wild attempt: the current valves seal the engine better than they used to. Thus, combustion might be more efficient and the compression ratio is increased. This could also allow running a more powerful mix for longer.

[autogyro]

Wild attempt: the current valves seal the engine better than they used to. Thus, combustion might be more efficient and the compression ratio is increased. This could also allow running a more powerful mix for longer.

Sorry that does not make sense.
There would only be an increase in compression if the lift, duration and closing of the valves was altered. Correct?
But the problem was stated as a pneumatic leak that resulted in an inability to recharge the gas feed bottle.
(gas valve springs only close the valves, nothing else)
This is a system running out of gas, not a change of any sort to the way the valve train operates.
It would aso have nothing whatsoever to do with improved fuel mixture.
Reducing the amount of gas leakage would in fact 'decrease' any excess gas available for valve and general engine cooling, which would result in a less efficient fuel mix because of higher temperature.