2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

[bhall]

So the Mclaren holding a tighter line through sector 1 and 2 the beginning of Sectors 2 twisty's had nothing to do with the McLaren having more downforce...

On the contrary, the explanation I have heard for this is in fact Hamilton using a new technique to make the car turn in through high speed turns, where he throws it into a deliberate slight slide, and waits for the grip to catch up. When it does, the car is now pointing in a different direction. That allowed him to make much faster direction changes through the high speed than Vettel was doing.

I'm with you here, but there's nothing new about power sliding.

[Shrieker]

I just want to ask people why they think the DRS being given to the car infront when the car passing is alongside is a good idea?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuvDnB3q-Ec[/youtube]

Well it's quite easy to jugde from the vid. isn't it ? Vettel is barely half a car's length behind Hamilton when they start braking - DRS activation when the attacker had drawn alongside more than likely would've given him that half a car's length (maybe even more). Hence presenting us the fans much needed braking duel and maybe even side by side racing. I agree with you though that results would vary a lot with so many different track/DRS zone types. IMHO that doesn't mean the idea is bad, DRS is an artificial tool so I think it's quite natural that the solutions to it's inherent problems are going to be (inevitably) artificial too. The FIA are(or should be rather) there to make sure it works as intended.


On a side note, Vettel clearly says "stupid overtake" on the radio. He gets frustrated too easily.

[raymondu999]

On a side note, Vettel clearly says "stupid overtake" on the radio. He gets frustrated too easily.

Stupid backmarker I think - not stupid overtake. The radio came on after Hamilton overtook him, but it was transmitted before that. It was of Karthikeyan.

[aral]

I just want to ask people why they think the DRS being given to the car infront when the car passing is alongside is a good idea?

On a side note, Vettel clearly says "stupid overtake" on the radio.

No he did not! His radio transmission was a delayed (normal) comment about Karthikeyan blocking him! An event a minute BEFORE the Hamilton pass. And it was a normal comment to his team, explaining why he lost 1-2 secs.

Dont blame him for something that did not happen.

[Shrieker]

Well ok, you guys could be right. But to me it sounds like you're too sure about it.

[Intego]

I just want to ask people why they think the DRS being given to the car infront when the car passing is alongside is a good idea?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuvDnB3q-Ec[/youtube]

Well it's quite easy to jugde from the vid. isn't it ? Vettel is barely half a car's length behind Hamilton when they start braking - DRS activation when the attacker had drawn alongside more than likely would've given him that half a car's length (maybe even more). Hence presenting us the fans much needed braking duel and maybe even side by side racing. I agree with you though that results would vary a lot with so many different track/DRS zone types. IMHO that doesn't mean the idea is bad, DRS is an artificial tool so I think it's quite natural that the solutions to it's inherent problems are going to be (inevitably) artificial too. The FIA are(or should be rather) there to make sure it works as intended.


On a side note, Vettel clearly says "stupid overtake" on the radio. He gets frustrated too easily.

The intention of the DRS was to give more overtaking to the fans, but we the fans never accepted that, because it's too artificial.
The real outcome of DRS is, that cars aren't doomed to be stuck behind a slower car – best example is Alonso/Petrov in Abu Dhabi 2010.
This time it sucked a bit, because Vettel and Hamilton had nearly the same pace, so DRS became a race decider. But that's life ...

To the Vettel radio: How many of you guys are lions in the traffic?

[raymondu999]

Well ok, you guys could be right. But to me it sounds like you're too sure about it.

It was told in several interviews on TV

[tuj]

If you don't like DRS, then let them use fully active aero on the front and rear wings. Then the car running close behind could change its AoA to increase down-force in dirty air. The way the cars are now and how sensitive they are to dirty air, the DRS is a godsend for passing.

[NathanOlder]

On a side note, Vettel clearly says "stupid overtake" on the radio.

No he did not! His radio transmission was a delayed (normal) comment about Karthikeyan blocking him! An event a minute BEFORE the Hamilton pass. And it was a normal comment to his team, explaining why he lost 1-2 secs.

Dont blame him for something that did not happen.[/quote]


Vettel said "Unbelievable, I have ?????? ????? (seen it) Formula 1 these days, with ?????? (these/his) stupid overtakes"

That is nothing to do with Karthikeyan in my opinion. If you guys are saying it was delayed so it cant have been from when Lewis passed him, there were exactly 25 seconds between Karthikeyan being passed, to when Lewis was passed Vettel. The radio transmition was aired 1min 13seconds after the passing was done. So there was every chance it was about the Lewis pass, rather than the Karthikeyan incident. And he 100% said "stupid overtakes"

[Poleman]

Vettel said clearly "stupid overtake"..."Backmarker" doesnt even sound similar witn "Overtake"...Also when the message was transmitted on the TV it showed Button fighting the Lotuses in S3 which can mean that Vettel said that while he was crossing the main straight after he got passed.Thats my take on that.

[raymondu999]

It was said in quite a few different places though that he was referring to Karthikeyan holding him up in T7 rather than of Hamilton's overtake.

[Poleman]

It was said in quite a few different places though that he was referring to Karthikeyan holding him up in T7 rather than of Hamilton's overtake.

This is also true,i was watching SKY and they said it was for Karthikeyan as well but they are obviously wrong...The audio was quite clear

[raymondu999]

Possibly. IMO he was just stunned about the ease with which Hamilton passed him. Hamilton had something like 22k's on him IIRC.

He was held up by Karthikeyan, who effectively eliminated one of his key advantages - traction out of T8. These two came together which cost him 7 points. If you were in his position, you'd be frustrated too. It's human nature.

These are competitive guys - and with competitive nature comes sore losing. That's life.

[PlatinumZealot]

Why people don't realise that the first set of turns It is all about the line that you take. You have to cut the curbs.

[McMrocks]

DRS is stupid IMO. The best on the race yesterday were the overtakes in the first turn. We have seen this plenty of times. This were the really Overtakes. If somebody is much faster he doesn't need DRS to overtake. So please erase DRS.
But as written a page before Vettel has had benefits from DRS in this season, too.