Mercedes W15

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F1Krof wrote:
06 Nov 2024, 11:04
They have no clue.
Russell was pretty close in Brazil. With McLaren and maybe also Ferrari's race pace potentially being effected by the tyre filling accusations, they are not that far from the top teams. Their car is just very stiff and like the RB20 that brings its issues. RB and Mercedes will need to move a bit towards the McLaren and Ferrari approach to create a more allround car without it effecting df levels too much.

Farnborough
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This appears to be the same story, since 2022 start, in that they can clearly generate load from their aero.

Fundamentally they're not able to competently excute the acquired load through their platform

As with each iteration of W xx it arrives at hyper~hyper critical margin of deployment, falling significantly within or catastrophically outside a workable and operationally defined whole.

The part that's alarming is they themselves make statement of not knowing why that is.

Additional to that is the AMR car, sharing so much in drive train, gearbox and rear suspension inclusive, as well as wind tunnel research hardware, to give cause for consideration as to what those elements are really doing.

Comprehensive in its delivery of the two cars at such different technical performance at recent Brazil GP as most up to date assessment.

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Would really love to know how that winglet can be legal :mrgreen:
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 13:42
Would really love to know how that winglet can be legal :mrgreen:
Tombazis writes the rules. That's how...

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Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 13:42
Would really love to know how that winglet can be legal :mrgreen:
Surely that's blatantly creating outwash? The FIA have given themselves the power to just go "Nope, not happening" if it is. Let's see if they use it.

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Waz wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 17:43
Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 13:42
Would really love to know how that winglet can be legal :mrgreen:
Surely that's blatantly creating outwash? The FIA have given themselves the power to just go "Nope, not happening" if it is. Let's see if they use it.
Tombazis said at end of 2023 it's unlikely they'll continue stepping in on designs that "create too much outwash" anymore, the reasoning for which was essentially 'that ship has sailed'; outwash had already become out of hand again so limiting designs to reduce outwash and improve following closely is mostly pointless now

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organic wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 17:48
Waz wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 17:43
Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Nov 2024, 13:42
Would really love to know how that winglet can be legal :mrgreen:
Surely that's blatantly creating outwash? The FIA have given themselves the power to just go "Nope, not happening" if it is. Let's see if they use it.
Tombazis said at end of 2023 it's unlikely they'll continue stepping in on designs that "create too much outwash" anymore, the reasoning for which was essentially 'that ship has sailed'; outwash had already become out of hand again so limiting designs to reduce outwash and improve following closely is mostly pointless now
The endplate regs from 2019 held up better than the current ones, less loopholes were abused.