2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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dans79 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:57
What Mercedes really needs in the next race or two, is a 1-2.

That will give them breathing room in each championship!
It doesn't appear that Botas is capable of that 2 ;).

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jknights wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:08
foxmulder_ms wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:00
Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!

FIA is a joke.
Michael Massi is a pathetic RB roll over dog.
My dog and bitch are both neutered but they have more cajones than Massi!
We need to have professional stewards and a decent race director.
Vote of No Confidence.
You are embarrassing yourself, Masi does not decide on penalties its the stewards who do that.
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straightline wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:05
Seems like my reply didnt post, so sgain.

As an Austrian, I like hesring our anthem, thus I am a bit biased, I like Red Bull.

But to be honest, if any other driver did, what Max did (going wide, forcing another driving off the track. not leaving a car width for an opponent, which is infront on the braking point. going „zick-zack“ down a straight to defent), it would be a penalty. +5s st least.

That is one of the main problems this season. the stewards decisions are not consistent

What bothers me, is Max didn't make the turn himself, and didn't show any signs of a lock-up, or of understeer!
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Great result for the Ferraris! Looks like they've got third sewn up after a strong string of races. I feel a little bad for Norris, but he pulled back across Sainz before he was clear so it's on him.

As for the farce at the front...

Verstappen tried so hard to ram Hamilton (Monza-style) that he missed the corner. Not just that, but he missed the corner by so much, he had to pay R$100 just to get back into the stadium. Then he knowingly cheats by weaving on a straight (not for the first time this season so it's not like he can claim ignorance).

Wow. Just...wow.

Still, good to know that the Stewards are fine with making no attempt to make a corner. I'm sure that's good for racing and for the future of the sport as entertainment. How they can argue that going into a corner in 2nd, on the worst line and with dirty tyres, missing the corner entirely (let alone not 'hitting the apex', strange to see that bullshit conveniently ignored) and coming out in 1st isn't gaining an advantage is something that only they know. Can you imagine if anyone else on the grid drove like that? Or, indeed, the whole grid? You'd need a supermarket carpark at T1 just so you could complete the first lap.

Verstappen is an excellent driver and will win multiple world championships (including this year's). But the sport will be better when he's matured past acting like a teenager playing PlayStation or retires.

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Hamilton did it back-to-back-to-back days this weekend.

Lemme just preempt the people who will try to say this is meaningless because “he’s British.”

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pantherxxx wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:59
That Mercedes is too fast. They improved at least 1 second a lap since Mexico and USA where Verstappen was significantly faster.
Verstappen couldn't even keep Lewis out of the DRS zone even with all the dirty air. But how did they improve so much in just 1 week? Whatever they're doing it doesn't sound like a legitimate solution.
You forget in Mexico they took pole by 4 tenths to Verstappen and Perez?. They were just unlucky that the circuit there has more medium-high corners so it was tough to follow in dirty air despite having more speed on the straights.
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Verstappen 100% should've been punished, Hamilton would've made the turn if he wasn't going wide like missile.
Mercedes performance was overwhelming this weekend, like in another class.

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zibby43 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:14
https://twitter.com/HillF1/status/14599 ... 36576?s=20

Hamilton did it back-to-back-to-back days this weekend.

Lemme just preempt the people who will try to say this is meaningless because “he’s British.”
Hamilton has had many legendary drives, like Turkey last year to break the wins record, having a spin and then coming back to win by nursing the intermediates on that slippery surface. This one is a great one but it just had too much of an air of inevitability. Even with all the penalties it just felt inevitable after the safety car.
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I was just amazed verstappen managed to defend as long as he did. Defending fresh air wasn't helpful but it was just a matter of time. Impossible to defend against so much faster car. I don't see how red bull are gonna be able to contain hamilton at next few tracks. Qatar has a long straight that will play nicely into mercedes' hands and the entire mid section is high speed, very similar to barcelona, but with only 1 sort of slow corner. Will be another mercedes walkover.

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zibby43 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:14
https://twitter.com/HillF1/status/14599 ... 36576?s=20

Hamilton did it back-to-back-to-back days this weekend.

Lemme just preempt the people who will try to say this is meaningless because “he’s British.”
You were right yesterday when you said that he could still win. Great call mate!

That was a amazing performance from Lewis this weekend, he never gives up.

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politburo wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:09
jknights wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:08
foxmulder_ms wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:00
Hamilton ==> from 20th to 1st in 93 labs. LEGEND!

FIA is a joke.
Michael Massi is a pathetic RB roll over dog.
My dog and bitch are both neutered but they have more cajones than Massi!
We need to have professional stewards and a decent race director.
Vote of No Confidence.
You are embarrassing yourself, Masi does not decide on penalties its the stewards who do that.
No Massi manages the stewards but is not meant to influence the stewards but he is not even 1/10 as good and fair as the late Charlie Whiting.

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Juzh wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:21
I was just amazed verstappen managed to defend as long as he did. Defending fresh air wasn't helpful but it was just a matter of time. Impossible to defend against so much faster car. I don't see how red bull are gonna be able to contain hamilton at next few tracks. Qatar has a long straight that will play nicely into mercedes' hands and the entire mid section is high speed, very similar to barcelona, but with only 1 sort of slow corner. Will be another mercedes walkover.
Add to that lover QNH.
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politburo wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:21
zibby43 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:14
https://twitter.com/HillF1/status/14599 ... 36576?s=20

Hamilton did it back-to-back-to-back days this weekend.

Lemme just preempt the people who will try to say this is meaningless because “he’s British.”
Hamilton has had many legendary drives, like Turkey last year to break the wins record, having a spin and then coming back to win by nursing the intermediates on that slippery surface. This one is a great one but it just had too much of an air of inevitability. Even with all the penalties it just felt inevitable after the safety car.
I can agree with you on that. :D

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Marty_Y wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:22
zibby43 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 21:14
https://twitter.com/HillF1/status/14599 ... 36576?s=20

Hamilton did it back-to-back-to-back days this weekend.

Lemme just preempt the people who will try to say this is meaningless because “he’s British.”
You were right yesterday when you said that he could still win. Great call mate!

That was a amazing performance from Lewis this weekend, he never gives up.
Very kind of you to say. I just had one of those feelings. Once you put Lewis in a corner, he usually takes his game to another level, for the very reason you pointed out above!

I’m just glad the championship wasn’t decided in the stewards’ room this weekend. Absolutely love Interlagos.

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What's with the BS defence of there needs to be contact in order for that kind of move to warrant a penalty? So a driver has to be damaged or taken out of a race in order for the out of control car to be given a penalty? So by being aware and avoiding an accident [in which the divebombing car takes himself too deep and off the track] you're thus allowing that driver to get away with driving beyond the rules and escaping a penalty. That doesn't sit right at all.

Contact shouldn't have to be made in order for a driving manoeuvre to deserve a penalty. You should be rewarded for keeping your nose clean, but certainly shouldn't be disadvantaged by avoiding a certain crash in which the other driver forces himself off the track in the process.