Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[HampusA]

Hamilton should consider himself lucky to have fans as devoted as Ringo and Myurr.

Sheez, even he himself admitted it was an error of judgement. It happens. Does not mean he is not great.

And just because he had two s--t races does not mean he is losing it, either. He just needs to keep his cool.

Yes Hamilton could have played it safe, but playing it safe against a dominant Red Bull isn't going to win him the championship any more than crashing out is.

He shouldn't have played it safe. He should have played it smart. And patient.

Quoted for truth.
Ringo was just on another level i´ve never seen

[myurr]

There's no god given right to hold the racing line if another car is there. The rules are explicit, you cannot run another car off the road, and make no mention of racing lines.

There wasn´t another car there.
You mean the point where Hamilton put his front tires in a space that was dissappearing?
He never was alongside, Button never turned into anyone. 100% Hamilton´s fault for not using his brakes.
He should have seen that because button was moving across the road all the time.

I like the guy but these two last races he has done some stupid stuff.

Hamilton's front wheel was just ahead of Button's rear, which is alongside by any sensible definition. He also moved out of the slipstream to the left only just missing Buttons rear tyre with his front wing, showing there wasn't room to then duck back the other side. The gap also was then closed more rapidly as Button turned to the left at the same time as Hamilton made his move.

Perhaps he should have backed out of it with hindsight of a collision happening, but I will not criticise him for going for it and thinking Button would leave him room.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Hamilton went for a gap that was always shrinking. He took that risk and came off worst, let it be a lesson to him next time.
F1 aint dodgem's and I think his last 2 Grand Prix should be stark reminders that even if he has a run on someone, you cant squeeze a 2m wide car into a 1.5m gap...unless you bend the space-time continuum.

I get the impression Hamilton cant accept that he has an inferior car and needs to punch above his weight to get results.
Button is proving that by being patient you can go hell for leather when it matters and get the results.
Hamilton is still a faster driver than Button, but he hasnt been the better driver for a couple of races now.

Hamilton's front wheel was just ahead of Button's rear, which is alongside by any sensible definition.

Thats behind. Alongside is front axle alongside front axle.
Putting your nose in a closing gap is asking for trouble.

[marcush.]

All I can see is the hungaro ring Wall is considerably higher ,and in Canada The two cars crashed +Hamilton almost collected some pitboards as well.
Barrichello and Hamilton used a space of track which is certainly a bit too much on the optimistic side and relied on the other to make room .In both cases the following driver could not know if the driver in front has even seen him.Reactions of both indicate they knew he was there but tried to lock out the line close to the pitwall.
I really don´t know what history and thiongs 10 years ago have to do with it.

[i70q7m7ghw]

I think the key difference between those incidents is Schumacher knew Barrichello was there, and intentionally squeezed him.

[andrew]

In both instances the driver behind went for a gap that was only going to get smaller.

[i70q7m7ghw]

In both instances the driver behind went for a gap that was only going to get smaller.

And?

[andrew]

I'm sure you can work it out. You go for a gap that isn't big enough and is visibly shrinking what else do you expect to happen?

[i70q7m7ghw]

I'm sure you can work it out. You go for a gap that isn't big enough and is visibly shrinking what else do you expect to happen?

You make a mistake, slide off and lose the lead of the race?

[beelsebob]

I'm sure you can work it out. You go for a gap that isn't big enough and is visibly shrinking what else do you expect to happen?

By your logic, no one should ever overtake in F1, because if you get along side, the other driver can immediately "make the gap smaller" as long as he hasn't moved once already..

[timd]

You mean the point where Hamilton put his front tires in a space that was dissappearing?
He never was alongside, Button never turned into anyone. 100% Hamilton´s fault for not using his brakes.
He should have seen that because button was moving across the road all the time.

I like the guy but these two last races he has done some stupid stuff.

Bingo, this completely.

Not that some of his super-fans he has on here will ever agree that the sun doesnt shine out of his arse.

To me he's been making rookie mistakes. Its like he's thinking about it too much and forcing issues because the move on button was not needed. He could have clipped his brakes and fallen in line and had another go later. Alonso did just that with a failed move on Vettel.

Racing is about calculated risk. To me i cant see the calculations being made or he would back out.

[andrew]

I'm sure you can work it out. You go for a gap that isn't big enough and is visibly shrinking what else do you expect to happen?

By your logic, no one should ever overtake in F1, because if you get along side, the other driver can immediately "make the gap smaller" as long as he hasn't moved once already..

I don't follow that at all. What you just wrote is basically how the driver ahead defends their position.

It is all about planning the move rather than just going for it and hoping for the best. This is what we saw in the fight between Webber and Schumacher.

You mean the point where Hamilton put his front tires in a space that was dissappearing?
He never was alongside, Button never turned into anyone. 100% Hamilton´s fault for not using his brakes.
He should have seen that because button was moving across the road all the time.

I like the guy but these two last races he has done some stupid stuff.

Bingo, this completely.

Not that some of his super-fans he has on here will ever agree that the sun doesnt shine out of his arse.

To me he's been making rookie mistakes.

Blasphemy!!!

[beelsebob]

By your logic, no one should ever overtake in F1, because if you get along side, the other driver can immediately "make the gap smaller" as long as he hasn't moved once already..

I don't follow that at all. What you just wrote is basically how the driver ahead defends their position.

No – the way you defend a position is by moving before hand – you don't let them along side, or you position yourself to get a better run through the corner. You don't simply move over on them once they're beside you.

It is all about planning the move rather than just going for it and hoping for the best. This is what we saw in the fight between Webber and Schumacher.

No – we saw Webber past Schumacher before the braking zone even started. No planning, just push button, drive past.

Bingo, this completely.

Not that some of his super-fans he has on here will ever agree that the sun doesnt shine out of his arse.

To me he's been making rookie mistakes.

Blasphemy!!!

It seems we've got to the root of the discussion though. It's not Hamilton fans vs non Hamilton fans.

It's people who think it's valid to put your car along side another one and expect them to respect that you're there already vs people who think it's valid to close the door once someone's already beside you.

[timd]

There we go calling them alongside when theyre not again.

Rear wheel to front wheel is not alongside. fact.

Im not saying it wasnt a racing incident. Just an incident Ham could have avoided.

[MuseF1]

It's people who think it's valid to put your car along side another one and expect them to respect that you're there already vs people who think it's valid to close the door once someone's already beside you.

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