2019 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, August 2-4

[Capharol]

can somebody explain to me how it can be that Verstappen is clocked faster as Vettel despite the fact Vettel got over the line earlier as Verstappen?
at least at the Vid from Juzh (thanks again by the way, great job)
no matter which finish line you pick

1. line at the straight


2. line at the straight

[Juzh]

can somebody explain to me how it can be that Verstappen is clocked faster as Vettel despite the fact Vettel got over the line earlier as Verstappen?
at least at the Vid from Juzh (thanks again by the way, great job)
no matter which finish line you pick

1. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/iclTGKW.jpg

2. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/Y7aM79I.jpg

The first picture is the line where timings are taken. It's just the nature of the F1TV being only 25 fps, which is most cases is not enough to accurately place both cars precisely at the start/finish line. Yes, Vettel finishes the lap "earlier" in my video, but if you check the start of the lap verstappen also starts the lap earlier, so it evens out.

[Webber2011]

can somebody explain to me how it can be that Verstappen is clocked faster as Vettel despite the fact Vettel got over the line earlier as Verstappen?
at least at the Vid from Juzh (thanks again by the way, great job)
no matter which finish line you pick

1. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/iclTGKW.jpg

2. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/Y7aM79I.jpg

I'm only viewing on my phone so it's a bit hard to tell exactly, but is it possible the two vids are not perfectly in sync ?
Looks like Max crosses the line first at the start of the lap to me.
Millisecond difference but I think that's why mate.

Maybe someone veiwing on a better device can check properly please ?

[Capharol]

can somebody explain to me how it can be that Verstappen is clocked faster as Vettel despite the fact Vettel got over the line earlier as Verstappen?
at least at the Vid from Juzh (thanks again by the way, great job)
no matter which finish line you pick

1. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/iclTGKW.jpg

2. line at the straight
https://i.imgur.com/Y7aM79I.jpg

The first picture is the line where timings are taken. It's just the nature of the F1TV being only 25 fps, which is most cases is not enough to accurately place both cars precisely at the start/finish line. Yes, Vettel finishes the lap "earlier" in my video, but if you check the start of the lap verstappen also starts the lap earlier, so it evens out.

ok thank you for your explanation, i noticed it because it always try to pick reference points to see where 1 car is faster then the other

@Webber2011 thank you aswell

[Bill_Kar]

I think this is going to be an easy win for Hamilton with Ferrari being a close third. Which is not bad actually for their car.
I am unsure if Bottas will manage to be ahead of Verstappen though.

Leclerc doesn't seem to like this track, Vettel is pretty much on it.

[search]

I am unsure if Bottas will manage to be ahead of Verstappen though.

usually Bottas is pretty strong in Hungary. No idea how much of a setback the engine issue will be, but also two years ago he beat Hamilton in qualifying, and over this season he usually was at his best on circuits that tend to be front-limited.

[Sevach]

laps from fp1. vettel is using a race map with K1 button pressed (overtake mode) on the main straight, seen from the flashing green light. Verstappen seems to also be using something similar, seen from the red lights on the steering wheel.

https://streamable.com/z79t5
https://streamable.com/z79t5

I think the traffic hampered Vettel a bit, he couldn't position his car in the way he would want to entry the penultimate corner and understeers there.

Not that being the fastest in FP1 matters much.

[Mansell89]

We expecting rain in Quali tomorrow?

[zibby43]

We expecting rain in Quali tomorrow?

Not at the moment. Forecast is for a dry quali and dry race.

[drunkf1fan]

I am unsure if Bottas will manage to be ahead of Verstappen though.

usually Bottas is pretty strong in Hungary. No idea how much of a setback the engine issue will be, but also two years ago he beat Hamilton in qualifying, and over this season he usually was at his best on circuits that tend to be front-limited.

I'm not sure if that is a joke or not? Last year he was once again he was dropping back and pitted after 15 laps while Hamilton didn't pit to lap 25. This on ultra softs, when Ham pitted he was the same gap to Bottas, so he made zero ground on fresh tires, then Vettel pitted and came out behind Bottas. By lap 50 Bottas had dropped back an extra almost 5 seconds, and by lap 64 he was another 10 seconds behind. Hamilton's tires were only 10 laps older on a track without that much wear. Vettel did 31 laps on the ultra soft while Bottas murdered them in 15. It was only after that point on lap 64 that his race went to pieces, hitting Vettel, dropping 13 seconds back in 3 laps to Ricciardo, who he also hit, then finishing 50 seconds down.

Qualifying doesn't mean much if you can't make your tires last, at all. Admittedly he did one of the longest stints on softs, but also one of the most pathetically short on ultras as well and his pace dropping off 25-30 laps into his stint while Hamilton did 45 laps without an issue.

Don't forget 2 years ago again while he beat Hamilton, Hamilton ate him alive in tire wear, caught him and when allowed to pass pulled away at over a second a lap but was unable to pass Kimi who was able to use DRS on a stricken Vettel to keep Hamilton at bay and Hamilton dropped 12 seconds back to hand Bottas the position back.

Honestly even if Merc should be dominant here, even if Hamilton has a DNF I wouldn't bet on Bottas to lose, his tire issues will drop him back into the slower cars.

Bottas and his horrible tire wear will almost certainly rear it's ugly head here again. Even if he outqualifies Hamilton, which is unlikely, he'll either be on dead tires and an easy pass for Hamilton or he'll pit early, Ham won't and it will be game over just like Silverstone.

His best circuits are those with little to no deg, Russia, etc, not front limited ones. As with Rosberg if he can qualify ahead or be ahead in the first corner at a track with hard passing like Singapore/Monaco, otherwise he'll be overcut or be a sitting duck late in the race as he was last year here, Brazil, USA and anywhere similar.

[Just_a_fan]

Anyone have any idea why RedBull are shown on the FP1 cover shot on the forum? Far as I know, Hamilton doesn't drive for RedBull...

Is the forum becoming pro-Max / anti-Hamilton?

[flynfrog]

Anyone have any idea why RedBull are shown on the FP1 cover shot on the forum? Far as I know, Hamilton doesn't drive for RedBull...

Is the forum becoming pro-Max / anti-Hamilton?

It's just the MOD bias. It was turbo's turn to pick the picture. I think he wanted James Hunt but Steven says we have to at least pick a car that was in the session so we got Max.

[JonoNic]

Anyone have any idea why RedBull are shown on the FP1 cover shot on the forum? Far as I know, Hamilton doesn't drive for RedBull...

Is the forum becoming pro-Max / anti-Hamilton?

Maybe it's as innocuous as the last race winner? It would be bad for this forum to show bias towards a driver.

[roon]

Anyone have any idea why RedBull are shown on the FP1 cover shot on the forum? Far as I know, Hamilton doesn't drive for RedBull...

Is the forum becoming pro-Max / anti-Hamilton?

[search]

I am unsure if Bottas will manage to be ahead of Verstappen though.

usually Bottas is pretty strong in Hungary. No idea how much of a setback the engine issue will be, but also two years ago he beat Hamilton in qualifying, and over this season he usually was at his best on circuits that tend to be front-limited.

I'm not sure if that is a joke or not?

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His best circuits are those with little to no deg, Russia, etc, not front limited ones. As with Rosberg if he can qualify ahead or be ahead in the first corner at a track with hard passing like Singapore/Monaco, otherwise he'll be overcut or be a sitting duck late in the race as he was last year here, Brazil, USA and anywhere similar.

no, it's no joke, I can see him taking Pole today - as he did on 3 of 4 front limited circuits so far this year. And if he does, that should be enough to finish ahead of Verstappen tomorrow.