The Brawn car was complete luck because they had the DDD jackpot for the first part of the season, then they dropped to the 4th team behind RB, Fer & McL for the second half of the season.Mr.S wrote:Brawn had the quickest car in their 4th season which won many races.
Honda was a much better team,MUCH better,even the remanants than the Jaguar or Minardi team Red Bull bought & developed.
Precisely richard, but Daimler didn't realize that two years ago, they surely thought they were buying a complete WCC-team.richard_leeds wrote: ...
The Brawn car was complete luck because they had the DDD jackpot for the first part of the season, then they dropped to the 4th team behind RB, Fer & McL for the second half of the season.
We can see from the personnel changes that they are building a completely new team.
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X, Among the general public in the USA, I don't think there would be any change because M-B has done little or nothing to publicize their involvement in F1 (and I wonder why they haven't . . .). Among F1 fans in the US, I can not help but think the perception has gone down slightly (mine has). Among European F1 fans (NOT M-B fans), my gut feel is that the perception would be somewhat negative. Disclaimer: remember, your gut is directly in front of your you-know-what!xpensive wrote:Precisely richard, but Daimler didn't realize that two years ago, they surely thought they were buying a complete WCC-team.richard_leeds wrote: ...
The Brawn car was complete luck because they had the DDD jackpot for the first part of the season, then they dropped to the 4th team behind RB, Fer & McL for the second half of the season.
We can see from the personnel changes that they are building a completely new team.
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@ Don; What does your salesman's gut-feel tells you about that percerption at this point in time?
richard_leeds wrote:The Brawn car was complete luck because they had the DDD jackpot for the first part of the season, then they dropped to the 4th team behind RB, Fer & McL for the second half of the season.Mr.S wrote:Brawn had the quickest car in their 4th season which won many races.
Honda was a much better team,MUCH better,even the remanants than the Jaguar or Minardi team Red Bull bought & developed.
We can see from the personnel changes that they are building a completely new team.
Next year, they need to be a close 4th in the WCC, perhaps 50 to 80 points behind 3rd. Ideally they'd be aiming for 3rd in 2013, although that would mean beating Ferrari on current form. Thinking of who they have to beat makes one realise the size of their challenge to get higher than 4th.
They've lost 2 years with personnel changes, going around in circles trying to find the next magic bullet to replace the DDD. That's why they are still running 4th as they were when bought by Merc.
The complete change in leadership sets the clock back to zero, hopefully the wiser more experienced design leaders will realise it is all about hard work, rigour and evolution. No more excuses about tyres and weight balance, that sort of excuse tells us that they didn't understand what was going on. The new guys need to show they can learn from the mistakes and move forward.
Sorry if a little OT. You have identified what is IMHO a major failing in the current generation of F1: the rules are so restrictive that innovative design is subordinated to clever reading of the regulations.That & every win has been about finding the gaps in rules. EBD,RB7 is as big a fluke as BGP. WITHOUT EBD, Ferrari have a quicker car than RBR as demonstrated in Silverstone. EBD is as disputable as DD & most race winning cars stood out because they could find those gaps in rules.
Ferrari is Italian, nobody doubts that, Renault have French-built engines and McLaren is as British as tandoori chicken.marcush. wrote:One can say that public opinion and expectations about Mercedes GP in germany is not really an issue at this time thanks to super Seb.
Lucky times for Norby...
I think Mercedes has underperformed long enough that outside pressure has simply evaporated and nobody expects anything special in terms of results.
Above all ..if Schu would score a miracle podium everyone would account this towards MS and not the team..hmmm...A situation that is not too comfy for Mercedes .
No .I think Rosberg will leave and be substituted by di Resta or someone and the old hand has to drag the thing out of the mud ...a bit too romantic true ....but let me dream a bit.