2016 European Grand Prix - Baku City Circuit, Fri 17 – Sun 19 Jun

[Phil]

[Samraj_official]

1.5 km long straight + DRS + Slipstream

[SR71]

Marko already laying it on thick about how they have a huge power deficit, but they will try and make it all up with their "outstanding car".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... u-straight

But Marko was pessimistic ahead of the European Grand Prix saying: "The extremely long straight will not benefit us.

"Our computer simulations showed we will lose 1.2s per lap there.

"This is almost impossible to make up in the corners, though we have an outstanding car."

Despite this view, Marko is hopeful Red Bull will "be chasing Mercedes and on the same level with Ferrari" on the 3.732-mile street track.

He would be well advised to watch a Red Bull keep a Mercedes behind at Canada for a number of laps.
The engine cannot be used as an excuse anymore, whereas before at certain times venues it was a valid excuse.

It's just Marko BS, again. His doctorate must be of the Disney variety....

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

[BanMeToo]

I've yet to see a track map that has DRS labels on it. Anyone have one?

[FoxHound]

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

I'm saying exactly as I said... at an engine track, with DRS, a Mercedes could not overtake a Red Bull Renault.

[tomazy]

Marko already laying it on thick about how they have a huge power deficit, but they will try and make it all up with their "outstanding car".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... u-straight

He would be well advised to watch a Red Bull keep a Mercedes behind at Canada for a number of laps.
The engine cannot be used as an excuse anymore, whereas before at certain times venues it was a valid excuse.

It's just Marko BS, again. His doctorate must be of the Disney variety....

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

I have made a quick calculation. Lets say that Mercedes has a average speed of 340km/h (94,4m/s) for 2200m, they will cover the streight in 23,3s. For RB to be 1,2s slower on the long streight as sugessted by Marko, they would cover it in 24.5s. This would mean, that the RB car would go on average 89.8m/s or 323km/h.

There is no way that Renault engine is that down on power to warrant this kind of deficite, RB was 0.7 km/h slower in Canada quali then Mercedes.

I've yet to see a track map that has DRS labels on it. Anyone have one?

[FoxHound]

@Tomazy

The Marko school of math disagrees.

But then that math was plucked from his rectum to embellish emphasis onto Red Bull's miracle chassis and aerodynamics.

[ME4ME]

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

I'm saying exactly as I said... at an engine track, with DRS, a Mercedes could not overtake a Red Bull Renault.

For Nico, however, a late puncture forced a second stop. It looks like he also collected some debris in one of his radiators, as he had overheating throughout the race. While this may not necessarily have affected his performance, it would have been quite a big distraction to manage.

he was managing the car and also marginal on fuel, so he couldn't attack every lap. He had a great battle with Verstappen, who was defending very well, then lost the car under braking into the final chicane, fighting hard for every point.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/montr ... &q=rosberg

[FoxHound]

For Nico, however, a late puncture forced a second stop. It looks like he also collected some debris in one of his radiators, as he had overheating throughout the race. While this may not necessarily have affected his performance, it would have been quite a big distraction to manage.

he was managing the car and also marginal on fuel, so he couldn't attack every lap. He had a great battle with Verstappen, who was defending very well, then lost the car under braking into the final chicane, fighting hard for every point.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/montr ... &q=rosberg

So is it a puncture? His tyres? His radiator?

Heating was marginal for him due to following traffic for most the race too. Other than fuel, Why would he fall back one lap then attack the next?

And if you are going to start talking about marginality of fuel, surely this is then an advantage for Renault....

[ME4ME]

So is it a puncture? His tyres? His radiator?

Heating was marginal for him due to following traffic for most the race too. Other than fuel, Why would he fall back one lap then attack the next?

And if you are going to start talking about marginality of fuel, surely this is then an advantage for Renault....

I'm saying that you seem to draw conclusions from an isolated incident. Not only is it stupid, this particular incident isn't even representative, for the reasons I just quoted.

[SR71]

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

I'm saying exactly as I said... at an engine track, with DRS, a Mercedes could not overtake a Red Bull Renault.

So fuel saving by the following Mercedes and the now very well known dirty air issue Mercedes had have nothing to do with it.

It's just a power issue? Did I understand you correctly?

[giantfan10]

You're saying Renault is now on par with Mercedes Power?

I'm saying exactly as I said... at an engine track, with DRS, a Mercedes could not overtake a Red Bull Renault.

So fuel saving by the following Mercedes and the now very well known dirty air issue Mercedes had have nothing to do with it.

It's just a power issue? Did I understand you correctly?

So how does vettel making short work of both red bulls factor into this spat you guys are having? Lol

[SR71]

I'm saying exactly as I said... at an engine track, with DRS, a Mercedes could not overtake a Red Bull Renault.

So fuel saving by the following Mercedes and the now very well known dirty air issue Mercedes had have nothing to do with it.

It's just a power issue? Did I understand you correctly?

So how does vettel making short work of both red bulls factor into this spat you guys are having? Lol

Well according to foxhound Renault and Mercedes are now equal on power.

I suppose this means (1) Ferrari are now the power benchmark?

Or (2) Renault is still 3rd best and were flattered by an underperforming Mercedes that's more sensitive to dirty air than any other car on the grid.

I'll let you choose.

[graham.reeds]

Have missed the race or something? If you are talking about the previous race then there is a thread for that.

So, in a poor attempt to get back on track (ha ha)... who do you think will top the speed traps?

[FoxHound]

So is it a puncture? His tyres? His radiator?

Heating was marginal for him due to following traffic for most the race too. Other than fuel, Why would he fall back one lap then attack the next?

And if you are going to start talking about marginality of fuel, surely this is then an advantage for Renault....

I'm saying that you seem to draw conclusions from an isolated incident. Not only is it stupid, this particular incident isn't even representative, for the reasons I just quoted.

Oh no, not at all. I mean it's always something other than the Red Bull having enough power to not only overtake cars with "superior" engines, but also to defend.
Ricciardo must have known that Rosberg would have these issues on the Sunday, as on Saturday he says...

“I think we’ve got pretty good straight-line speed now so we’re in a position to overtake.”

That wily Aussie eh?

So it's your assertion that Renault have not improved to the point of being able to overtake and defend against the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes, but rather that it was "an isolated incident" that stands as flaky evidence to skirt round the obvious, and flagrantly disregards what Ricciardo says, Renault say, Red Bull say(Marko apart obviously) and what most people could see as massive progress for from Renault for Red Bull.