drunkf1fan wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 05:45
RZS10 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 01:12
I hate how smug Hulkenberg and Abiteboul were about cheating their way past Perez, they really have to introduce some form of penalty which will be worth a damn in such cases ... otherwise nothing is stopping them from just blasting past someone by leaving out some corners if they're stuck behind a slower (but fast on the straights) car and later get a worthless 5s penalty ... it's a bloody joke
I didn't see the post race stuff, what was their take on it? The cool down lap I kinda got the impression that the team congratulated him for the move and it sounded like he was effectively saying yeah, I knew that would work (cheating and just taking the penalty later).
It's absurd, passing illegally and track position are key factors of F1, before the introduction of 5/10 second penalties you'd get a drive through and lose at the very least that one position, maybe a dozen positions if just after a safety car or something so drivers always gave the place back(almost always). The 5-10 second penalties were supposed to add a smaller option for SMALL incidents, but a drive through for passing off track on purpose is not a small incident. He went off and just floored it and had no real reason to go off track at all, certainly no reason to refuse to come back on earlier and definitely no reason to floor it. He even had a decent portion of that 5 second gap right out of that complex because of the way he exited the corner and took it pretty much full speed.
I was incredibly angry at the stewards, I was pretty disgusted by Hulk's interpretation that he was pushed off track and when the video replay finally came around it was clear he floored it and wasn't anywhere near alongside into the corner to make such a move forgivable.
Honestly for lying, trying to mislead the stewards with the lie, for the actual move itself ie flooring it over the run off and never easing off I would have given Renault a stop/go for that. Instead they beat Toro Rosso rather than getting punished. Had he simply given the place back he'd be behind Perez but with a drive through let alone a stop go he'd certainly finish below Ocon and without enough points for Renault to be TR. It feels like they planned to do this if he couldn't make up places before the first corner and they gained a championship place from cheating.
I saw all the post-race stuff and they were pretty much unanimous in it being a horrible decision. Hulk should have simply been made to give the position back.
If I were in that car and I did that I'd be pretty ashamed of myself. The only saving grace is the pitstop tyre not coming on properly, costing extra time, which gives it some leverage that it balanced out the bad decision, but still, I would have given Perez that position back. In any case, Hulk had the faster car and would have overtook Perez easily.
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Also, in Ted's Notebook, Ted asked the track designer about all the complaints that the track should be changed. He said they had plans anyway to modify it, but the fact of the matter is, and I believe he's right, that the faster cars were already quite quickly ahead of the slower cars. So what can anybody do about that? If anything, people should be asking the track to be narrower or full of 90* turns to nullify all PU advantages and/or discourage faster cars from overtaking slower cars due to said narrowing.
Then again I'm one of the minority who enjoys the V6s, turbos, all the crazy complex tech and the lower-revving engines, so I doubt anybody would agree with me lol.
