2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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venkyhere
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10670452/

Stella says it was not a driving issue, but a brake-lockup issue with front axle.
Why wasn't this problem present during wet qualifying on the same inter tyres, when the car has lesser fuel load and the driver is even more aggressive with the brake pressure ? Norris was P1 by a huge margin, wasn't he ?
Anyone has more info on this ? Curious to know, before I make up mind that Stella is simply protecting his drivers from the media (as a good TP should).

FittingMechanics
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venkyhere wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 12:58
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10670452/

Stella says it was not a driving issue, but a brake-lockup issue with front axle.
Why wasn't this problem present during wet qualifying on the same inter tyres, when the car has lesser fuel load and the driver is even more aggressive with the brake pressure ? Norris was P1 by a huge margin, wasn't he ?
Anyone has more info on this ? Curious to know, before I make up mind that Stella is simply protecting his drivers from the media (as a good TP should).
Piastri did lock up on his final run in Q3 and went off at T1 so looks like there is something to this.

Potentially the car was easy to lock up but if you nailed it just right, it didn't happen. In the race it's hard to really nail it every lap because the conditions changed so much.

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venkyhere wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 12:58
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10670452/

Stella says it was not a driving issue, but a brake-lockup issue with front axle.
Why wasn't this problem present during wet qualifying on the same inter tyres, when the car has lesser fuel load and the driver is even more aggressive with the brake pressure ? Norris was P1 by a huge margin, wasn't he ?
Anyone has more info on this ? Curious to know, before I make up mind that Stella is simply protecting his drivers from the media (as a good TP should).
If a car is prone to specific handling characteristics/problems, it is not unreasonable at all to assume a driver could drive around (or get lucky) to avoid the problems for a lap or two (i.e qualifying).

But over the course of the grand prix, it becomes harder to maintain consistency and at some point you will run into the issue.

It also could explain why Lando was on the brink of being out of Q1. A series of burned laps + cautious driving until he found a “sweet spot” for the right feel and tried to replicate that throughout.

With changing conditions that becomes harder and harder.

Balalu
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People criticizing Lando and Oscar are easily forgetting their impressive record of finishing races. This is one of the main reasons McLaren are leading the WCC.

Criticizing Lando and Oscar for their mistakes while hyping up Leclerc in the same sentence is pure hypocricy.
"I showed him [with my hands] and said: I have bigger balls!” - Mika Hakkinen

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mwillems
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Balalu wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 15:12
People criticizing Lando and Oscar are easily forgetting their impressive record of finishing races. This is one of the main reasons McLaren are leading the WCC.

Criticizing Lando and Oscar for their mistakes while hyping up Leclerc in the same sentence is pure hypocricy.
Which post(s) did that?

Actually don't answer. There's often one or two, if everyone ignores them, it goes away. Most were having a civil conversation I felt.
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Farnborough
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FittingMechanics wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 13:10
venkyhere wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 12:58
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10670452/

Stella says it was not a driving issue, but a brake-lockup issue with front axle.
Why wasn't this problem present during wet qualifying on the same inter tyres, when the car has lesser fuel load and the driver is even more aggressive with the brake pressure ? Norris was P1 by a huge margin, wasn't he ?
Anyone has more info on this ? Curious to know, before I make up mind that Stella is simply protecting his drivers from the media (as a good TP should).
Piastri did lock up on his final run in Q3 and went off at T1 so looks like there is something to this.

Potentially the car was easy to lock up but if you nailed it just right, it didn't happen. In the race it's hard to really nail it every lap because the conditions changed so much.
There seemed to be a developed problem from too little brake pressure causing a variation in brake disc surface friction around the disc.
GR had something too, described as "warped" disc from his assessment of pedal vibration.

Possible present here too ?

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ScuderiaLeo
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Balalu wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 15:12
People criticizing Lando and Oscar are easily forgetting their impressive record of finishing races. This is one of the main reasons McLaren are leading the WCC.

Criticizing Lando and Oscar for their mistakes while hyping up Leclerc in the same sentence is pure hypocricy.
The only race Leclerc hasn't finished this year was due to an engine failure, so I'm not sure why you randomly brought him up...

Though you're right that Norris' cautious driving style isn't always a bad thing. It has largely kept him out of trouble (in terms of crashes and penalties) and kept him in contention. I don't see it as a negative trait, but rather there are both pros and cons to being "ruthless" like some want him to be.

Balalu
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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 15:30
Balalu wrote:
07 Nov 2024, 15:12
People criticizing Lando and Oscar are easily forgetting their impressive record of finishing races. This is one of the main reasons McLaren are leading the WCC.

Criticizing Lando and Oscar for their mistakes while hyping up Leclerc in the same sentence is pure hypocricy.
The only race Leclerc hasn't finished this year was due to an engine failure, so I'm not sure why you randomly brought him up...

Though you're right that Norris' cautious driving style isn't always a bad thing. It has largely kept him out of trouble (in terms of crashes and penalties) and kept him in contention. I don't see it as a negative trait, but rather there are both pros and cons to being "ruthless" like some want him to be.
It's not that he did not finish races, but rather cracking under pressure sometimes. I highly respect Leclerc and his abilities. I literally picked up on him randomly out of the many names being thrown around. I was just pointing out how hypocrit some people are being. This includes McLaren fans.
"I showed him [with my hands] and said: I have bigger balls!” - Mika Hakkinen

Balalu
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I, for one, am extremly grateful for Lando, Oscar, Stella, Zak, and the whole McLaren team for putting the team back in this situation. For me WCC is more important this year and somehow feels like redemption for 1999, 2008. Hopefully we get it this time.
"I showed him [with my hands] and said: I have bigger balls!” - Mika Hakkinen

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