Turkey GP 2009 - Istanbul Park

[jddh1]

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[ringo]

Red Bull's strategy will not work as long as Button can deny Vettel clean air.

Its over man, Button wins, might as well we start the Silverstone thread.

[WhiteBlue]

Button did not make any mistakes and is lucky with his car.

Will Vettel try to take 2nd from Webber? His tyres have seen the best I'm afraid. He will have to settle for 3rd.

[jddh1]

Button did not make any mistakes and is lucky with his car.

Will Vettel try to take 2nd from Webber? His tyres have seen the best I'm afraid. He will have to settle for 3rd.

I did not think Button was lucky with his car at all. I think he took advantage of Vettel's earlier error and that was it, pretty much.

But the highlight of the race for me was Nelsinho pulling off that amazing pass on Hamilton. Ballsy. I'm sure Flave would be pleased to see that.

[vyselegend]

Rosberg did a very good job in the first part of the race, but I'm disapointed because I think he had the pace and strategy to challenge for the podium really. Vettel is maybe a bit too agressive, his error in the second lap cost him the win.

It is not very cleaver to start to try and break the lap record for several laps when your race engineers asks you to save the car... Especially when you are one of the two drivers who broke the most engines up to now.

Barichello's moves over Kovalainen & Buemi were looking clumsy. RB starts to drive like DC last year. (i.e like an old guy ).

Piquet's move was refreshing indeed, you don't expect such a cleaver overtaking from such a disapointing driver... But that's just a one off, and didn't bring any significant result. It just seems that every 8 or 9 GP, Nelsino has a reasonably good race, and Turkey just happened to be one of them...

I know I've said it lots of times already, but I feel I need to say it again: Bourdais is a slow F1 driver... Every races.
I hope for Peugeot he'll be more competitive next week at LM, like he was at Sebring.

[djos]

Great Job by Webber to snatch 2nd from Vettel - I really dont know what his engineer was thinking 3 stopping him?

Roll on Silverstone, Webber luvs this track so Im expecting big things from him!

[Conceptual]

A bit of a boring race indeed.

I hope that the other teams can get their act together soon, so we can at least have some challenge at the front.

Some of the most exciting racing this weekend was with RB fighting from the back after tweaking his clutch on the start, and blowing out 7th gear.

Congrats to Jenson for another win!

I hope that Red Bull and the others work some overtime over the next two weeks to close the gap to Brawn. It is their fault that these races are getting a bit boring to be honest. You cannot blame BGP for winning as much as you need to blame the others for losing.

How many teams will now stop 2009 development and start on their 2010 contender?

[Timomies]

Some of the most exciting racing this weekend was with RB fighting from the back after tweaking his clutch on the start, and blowing out 7th gear.

Well, yes, he did say that, but you could see that he was using 7th gear after that, from the hud. Maybe he meant second gear or something


Here is PIQ vs HAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N22yv2yHyvY

[PNSD]

Button did not make any mistakes and is lucky with his car.

Will Vettel try to take 2nd from Webber? His tyres have seen the best I'm afraid. He will have to settle for 3rd.

Lucky with his car?

I dont quite get what you mean there?

If you could explain...?

However, from what I assume you mean, then surley Vettel is also lucky with his car? It is a race winning car? Webber too? Barachello also? Massa, Kimi, Lewis, Heikki last year? Alonso also? I would also like to include Senna, Prost, Hill...??

But then that is only assuming by lucky you mean a good car, no? If not i am open to enlightenment how "Button is lucky with his car"

[WhiteBlue]

Button did not make any mistakes and is lucky with his car.

I did not think Button was lucky with his car at all. I think he took advantage of Vettel's earlier error and that was it, pretty much....

That was meant in comparison to Rubens who had gearbox/clutch problems that compromised his race. Button did not make mistakes and took a superior car home.

The wind direction change caught a number of drivers out in the first couple of laps. Vettel was too inexperienced to avoid that mistake. Nico Rosberg profited from it making some good progress in lap one.

Webber drove a cool headed race and picked the better race strategy. He is now very close to Vettel and both drivers will not be pleased to receive team orders to keep the revs down when the other one might be going for more points. This only works in teams where team order is ruthlessly enforced as it was done by Todt.

[PNSD]

Team orders were not really needed. Webber had already slowed and turned the engine he said, Vettel was catching but at the same time Webber could probably have matched him...

Rubens has never been great at starts says Martin and Eddie, besides that his starts this season bar Spain have been poor. Like Martin said he probably over-torqued at the start then ruined his gearbox...

Little luck comes into the problems Rubens had imo.

[PlatinumZealot]

To me that doesn't really count as Team orders.. Webber was faster as reported.. that means that Vettel would have to up his pace putting his car at risk.. only to ride behind Webber for the rest of the race..

From What I saw this year Vettel is not a decisive passer. So that was the best decision; save the engine and reel in the points.

[PlatinumZealot]

Barichello is Old and Shaky. He drives great but is not consistent anymore. They have to swap him out next year because he will only get worse.

I am glad that BMW got some points.

Crapajima was just unlucky.. It would have been fun seeing him finish a good position.

[ringo]

I am starting to see a trend here with Vettel. Sometimes i wonder if has enough experience when it comes to taking on another driver. Going from pole to be whooped thoroughly by your team mate must feel disappointing.
He is fast, but what's the point of being fast enough to catch someone and not being able to pass them for 5 laps?That moment was the most exciting for me still, i wanted Vettel to pull the trigger but for some reason he was gun shy. Put Alonso or Hamilton in the situation and Button would be history. Even though it could be the design of the car that prevented him from passing.
Maybe the RBR weakness is its aerodynamic sensitivity. Its like a toothless dog with a mean bark, it cant deliver the death blow.

I wish him the best in the other races, cause right now Barichello is starting to show his age, he cannot challenge Button. F1 needs a true danger man!

[ESPImperium]

Button, too fast, yet again.
Webber, terific strategy.
Vettel, fast and consistant, but poor strategy
Trulli, Fast first and third stints, good strategy
Nakajimma, unlucky, could have shown real pace for once, shown he could be in F1 next year
Rossberg, largley unlucky with strategy in the middle stint, added massivly to his stock value
Glock, strategy again, Toyotas strategy guys will get it right one day and hit gold.
Ferarri, went backwards from grid posistion
McLaren, A little luck with gaining posistion, but car hampered them
BMW Sauber, can build from here
Renault, about right for them, Piquet showed he can race, but still on the firing line
STR, largely absent exept from when they were getting lapped and when Buemi put a move on Kimi, Bourdais looked bored.
Force India, unlucky with Fisi and his brakes, Sutil showed average pace, but was very sporting when getting lapped
Rubens, he cant start for doo-doo, unlucky again with gearbox relyability

However, i can see a few changes in drivers very soon. Bourdais to leave F1, Grosjean replace Piquet and Piquet or Hartley replace Bourdais. Nakajimma has ernt a extra year in F1 now for me, if he can replicate this result and pace for the next few GPs. Rossberg to BMW Sauber, Nick is fact, but like Rubens, getting older and less consistant, he will retire at Brazil, leaving Senna or Davidson to race at Yas Marina.

The fact is now that Button is looking too fast, i can see him winning at least 12 GP this season now. Vettel and Webber will be the closest to him, with Rubens and Trulli on their coat tails.