COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[Big Tea]

Do people actually care? If you die with it before it killed you, it would have killed you later anyway.

It depends on how important the numbers are considered. I prefer to see actual numbers but I supose it makes no difference to those concerned, as long as everyone uses the same system.
Those without Covid could have died anyway

I still say lump them in the pile because they might have gotten better treatment if the Corona wasn't clogging up the pipelines! So what I'm saying even if they indirectly died of it... It balances out those that really died of it and weren't tested. Heck, If the stock market crashes tomorrow and some CEO dies of heart attack I would lump that in too! Ha.
Seriously though.. With these things it goes into your percentage of error. With the mayem in the hospitals is not worth a doctor's time to comb out Covid symptoms from some other disease. Even if that patient was not tested postive and he showed Covid symptoms before he died... i would lump him in too.

I agree with your fundamental reasoning of it, but if real records are not kept, how will we know which is the most effective treatments and procedures? Someone (and I use the word as number is just too sterile) dies from a stroke while being treated for Covid, the record and statistic used to determine what is to become standard practice will not be based on fact, but assumption.

[Just_a_fan]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, its a great collection of reported cases with different tableau reports to show trends. Most US states seem to be a near the apex.

https://public.tableau.com/en-us/s/covid-19-viz-gallery

Hopefully the US's low population density will have had an effect. Where population density is high - such as in New York - if the virus gets a foothold, the cases numbers go through the roof very quickly.

Compare US pop density at 87 people/sq mile with UK at 710 or Italy at 518. The US is in the bottom quarter in the list of population density. That's got to be a good thing.

[Dr. Acula]

Hopefully the US's low population density will have had an effect. Where population density is high - such as in New York - if the virus gets a foothold, the cases numbers go through the roof very quickly.

Compare US pop density at 87 people/sq mile with UK at 710 or Italy at 518. The US is in the bottom quarter in the list of population density. That's got to be a good thing.

Well, the overall population density can be quite misleading. Especially in the US the population isn't distributed homogeneously at all. The US has huge population centers all a long the coasts and some waterways but very little in between.

[Zynerji]

Models reduced by 25% this morning based upon actual data.

Less deaths than average flu.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/0 ... -to-60415/

[Zynerji]

Go back to business? As in go back to work and let more people die? Because that's what gonna happen.

We are not diligent enough to wear out PPE and wash hands on a planned basis. It will just spread like wildfire.

We have to keep isolation until the numbers are low in ALL countries across the globe.

The economy will bounce back. There is no money beyond the grave so surviving is the main goal right now.

Induce panic, much?

The numbers simply disagree with your statements. The US will reopen very soon.

If the rest of the world chooses to slide into economic depression over this "pandemic", it's their choice, really.

[nzjrs]

The US will reopen very soon.

On that we agree sadly.

I hope when the USA reopens they can make some improvements to their health system, as you said, it seems to have been completely overwhelmed by the normal flu.

[Phil]

Models reduced by 25% this morning based upon actual data.

Less deaths than average flu.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/0 ... -to-60415/

Have you considered for a moment that those projections are based upon the measures undertaken and in effect... and that if we were to lift/undo those measures, that the projections would increase again?

[strad]

I wonder what improvements you think our health care system needs.
Tell me why people from all over the world including places with socialized medicine flock here for health care.
For all the propaganda from guys like Bernie Sanders, anyone rich or poor can show up and receive care. Even illegal aliens... It's the law.

[izzy]

Models reduced by 25% this morning based upon actual data.

Less deaths than average flu.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/0 ... -to-60415/

well it's a projection based on assumptions, and a big assumption is:

“Our estimates assume statewide social distancing measures are continuing in states where they have already been enacted, and for those states without such measures in place, it is assumed they will be will be in place within seven days,” IHME director Christopher Murray said on April 5.

“If social distancing measures are relaxed or not implemented, the U.S. will see greater death tolls, the death peak will be later, the burden on hospitals will be much greater, and the economic costs will continue to grow,” Murray aded.

and then the article talks about a big problem with that projection anyway in how it's calculated

[Just_a_fan]

Models reduced by 25% this morning based upon actual data.

Less deaths than average flu.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/0 ... -to-60415/

That's good news. Let's hope that the model is correct.

It's worth remembering that these deaths are not instead of seasonal 'flu. Some/many/most/all will be in addition to those from seasonal 'flu.






"fewer deaths"

[Zynerji]

Models reduced by 25% this morning based upon actual data.

Less deaths than average flu.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/0 ... -to-60415/

That's good news. Let's hope that the model is correct.

It's worth remembering that these deaths are not instead of seasonal 'flu. Some/many/most/all will be in addition to those from seasonal 'flu.






"fewer deaths"

There is huge knock on effects of the lockdown that increases deaths in other areas. Smokers smoking more without work, the obese eating more out of boredom, alcohol intake increasing leading to domestic violence deaths, and suicides from depression/drug overdoses.

Like F1, the answer to a fast car is to have a full picture of the data, not focus solely on an single cell in the spreadsheet.

[Phil]

If you are willing to go down that path, what do you think will cause more deaths? COVID19 without a lockdown resulting in overloaded hospitals (and an economy that will cripple as well) or a lockdown with the suggested knock on effects? Are they even quantifiable?

[henry]

Another dimension to the pandemic comes from this article on Vox. https://www.vox.com/2020/4/8/21212160/ ... ion-deaths

Essentially it suggests that health problems from PM2.5 pollution exacerbate the symptoms of the virus and lead to more deaths.

[Zynerji]

If you are willing to go down that path, what do you think will cause more deaths? COVID19 without a lockdown resulting in overloaded hospitals (and an economy that will cripple as well) or a lockdown with the suggested knock on effects? Are they even quantifiable?

There is zero evidence that we would be overloaded. It's utter hysterical fantasy. Even the Governor of NY says they are not short.

[Zynerji]

Another dimension to the pandemic comes from this article on Vox. https://www.vox.com/2020/4/8/21212160/ ... ion-deaths

Essentially it suggests that health problems from PM2.5 pollution exacerbate the symptoms of the virus and lead to more deaths.

Vox!

Sensational partisanship and proven liars. Surprised any serious person would quote them!