2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Venturiation]

https://twitter.com/xxoMarina/status/17 ... nbl4Q&s=19

Links to podcast in tweet thread

Seems its Mintzlaff if that is accurate

[ThijsMuis]

I thought you had to prove someone guilty first, presumption of innocence and all that. Just an allegation seems enough these days to destroy anyone

Depends on the evidence red bull have isn't it.
They asked him to go. So it must be serious.

[bagajohny]

So now we're interpreting that as true because you've assumed they didn't object, or that no objection means it is true? Just more speculation.

Okay, we've narrowed it down from anything to "any unwanted behaviour", now we can freely speculate and make up any story that fits under "any unwanted behaviour" Complete lunacy.

You are twisting my words. I did not say anything about it being true. I just said that the speculations are not unwarranted as the MOD was stating. And they have been confirmed by reputed sources unlike the case with previous incident where the source was shady magazine. So people are not to blame for discussing it. They are within the bounds of what is said in the statement. I won't be responding to you any further.

Sorry but the nature of the allegations haven't been confirmed by anyone. All we know is RB saying there has been an allegation and there is an investigation opened into it, sort of like when the FIA opened an investigation into the "previous incident", rampant speculation at that point was also very inappropriate (as we later saw too). And I am not twisting any words, you posted the definition of that term and then tried to use it to justify rampant speculation when it could involve almost any type of behaviour.

I did not say anything about it being true

You tried to use the lack of an objection (something we don't even know) as confirmation that RB would agree with the term "transgressive behaviour". They might, but that is not confirmed yet, we don't have enough information.

Yeah I hear what you are trying to say. But tell me this, would you launch an independent investigation against top man of the company, who has been there since its inception, on any minor accusation? Look at the damage it has done in just one day. I think anyone can see it that this is either a serious incident or a political plot. They only have a week before the car launch so we will not have to wait for long to hear the results.

[marcel171281]

https://preview.redd.it/max-verstappens ... 789dbaf17c

That average points per race is nowhere near correct.

[AR3-GP]

https://preview.redd.it/max-verstappens ... 789dbaf17c

That average points per race is nowhere near correct.

No idea, found it on twitter.

[AR3-GP]

Here's a new thread/split topic for the Christian Horner investigation: viewtopic.php?t=31537

The Toto/Susie Wolff topic received it's own thread (viewtopic.php?t=31441) but I think this is a bigger story than that so it should be worthy of a split topic if the previous discussion was allowed to have one.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F73VYvaa4AAwuNH.jpg

Wasn't it 19 wins

[taperoo2k]

I think of RB got rid of Horner, it would be the worse decision I’ve ever seen.

The way he has built the team is just unrivalled.

RB also have to consider who else goes at the same time. Newey? Max? Etc?

Like the Lewis leaving, he leaves with more than just himself

Red Bull Racing is a marketing exercise for Red Bull GmbH at the end of the day. If someone poses a serious reputational risk to the brand image, they will be let go. No matter what the consequences are for the F1 team. And sorry but Horner had the backing of a billionaire with a passion for motorsport, which made things a lot easier on the money side. You want unrivalled? Read Virginia Williams book if you can find a copy. She is an unsung hero of F1.

According to Joe Saward the long-standing rumour has been that Horner and Newey have contracts that protect each other. If one leaves, the other can as well.
https://x.com/joesaward/status/1754778325220741588?s=20

[F1NAC]

I think of RB got rid of Horner, it would be the worse decision I’ve ever seen.

The way he has built the team is just unrivalled.

RB also have to consider who else goes at the same time. Newey? Max? Etc?

Like the Lewis leaving, he leaves with more than just himself

Shouldn’t we at least wait what is this all about?


It is not like they are sacking him out of blue? And anyways I think they have very good replacement inside team if he is to leave the team and that is Jonathan Weathley who is also in the team since forever.

[chrisc90]

I think of RB got rid of Horner, it would be the worse decision I’ve ever seen.

The way he has built the team is just unrivalled.

RB also have to consider who else goes at the same time. Newey? Max? Etc?

Like the Lewis leaving, he leaves with more than just himself

Shouldn’t we at least wait what is this all about?


It is not like they are sacking him out of blue? And anyways I think they have very good replacement inside team if he is to leave the team and that is Jonathan Weathley who is also in the team since forever.

Totally agree.

I’m not jumping to any conclusions as to what’s happened. Will see what pans out.

[mwillems]

https://preview.redd.it/max-verstappens ... 789dbaf17c

That average points per race is nowhere near correct.

It is his average per race over his career, the title of the graphic is misleading.

[DGP123]

Losing Horner is not that significant a blow. He’s purely a mouthpiece nowadays, and easily replaceable, in a team full of fantastic people. Doubtful to have any impact on the team, or its success during this era, as the work has been done. Seems that RB know that.

[mwillems]

Apparently the Hearing is on Friday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

[Stu]

This topic is currently closed for maintenance , there is another thread purely for Horner-gate.

[Sieper]

https://preview.redd.it/max-verstappens ... 789dbaf17c

That average points per race is nowhere near correct.

It is according to this site:

https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques ... ombre.aspx

If you have some qualms with that, contact the operator, he is quick to reply and will correct.