Mark Webber has won the Grand Prix of Great Britain for the second time in three years after a late charge on Fernando Alonso. The Spaniard suffered in his final stint and lost the win 5 laps from the end. With Alonso second, Sebastian Vettel finished third to make this a great result for Red Bull Racing.
Not necessarily. They can run qualifying tomorrow morning. That is allowed for in the rules, as it was discussed when they had that incredibly wet race weekend in Fuji.rssh wrote:If the rain doesn't stop now atleast till there is enough light then Perez will be at pole .
I definitely agree with that, and I hope it doesn't happen. The big problem is that the FIA are likely to be over cautious as usual and wait until the inter / slick border time before they restart the qualifying session. They should start it as soon as it stops raining (or dies down) even if there is still standing water as the cars will clear that.Just_a_fan wrote:I agree with Gary Anderson - the red flag potentially helps the guys who made the wrong early choices and hampers the guys who made the right decision at the start of Q2. If they wait until it dries enough then the Ferraris might end up in Q3, not because they made the right choice by going on inters at the start but because Charlie lets them have another go when it dries up. I'd be annoyed if I was Perez, for example.
If it keeps raining like this for an hour, will they just cancel qualifying? Or will they rerun Q2 and Q3 in the morning tomorrow?
I know it's trendy to blame the tyres for all of the sport's ills at the moment, but the rain we've been having is such that the tarmac is literally under 5-10mm of water in places. No race tyres would deal with that whether Pirelli, Bridgestone or anyone elses.Hail22 wrote:Interesting how long it took them to pull the red flags out...Just_a_fan wrote:Ooh, red flag. My prediction was right then. Sadly.
Hmmm the Wet tyres didn't seem all that reliable/grippy to me, anyone else agree/disagree?
Sorry but you really betray a lack of understanding here. When the circuit was drying the inter tyres start degrading and lose performance. By the time the circuit was at its best the grip had already gone from them. The edges of the tread get worn and lose their bite, the tread depth decreases so there isn't the movement in the rubber to generate heat and the tyres can't shift as much water, and there is thermal degradation of the rubber. It's probably not a coincidence that Vettel was slowish during the early parts of the session but then came to the fore when the conditions were perfect. That car, at least in his hands, has probably the best tyre management out there and by being slower early on then he's putting less energy into the tyre overall.LionKing wrote:Button was on the circuit all the time. He was on the circuit at the same time many other drivers set better times. It is not as if he missed the time when the circuit was at its best due to strategy.
I would understand what you are saying if Button was towards the front at the beginning of Q1 and others put on new tires and set better times and he was too late to do so and left out meanwhile...
Finally, I am not sure the circuit was better at the end anyway. There was heavy rain at S3....
Sure...myurr wrote:Sorry but you really betray a lack of understanding here.LionKing wrote:Button was on the circuit all the time. He was on the circuit at the same time many other drivers set better times. It is not as if he missed the time when the circuit was at its best due to strategy.
I would understand what you are saying if Button was towards the front at the beginning of Q1 and others put on new tires and set better times and he was too late to do so and left out meanwhile...
Finally, I am not sure the circuit was better at the end anyway. There was heavy rain at S3....
I don't claim Button would be right at the front of the field, but certainly good enough to make it through to Q2.
Edit: Had they pitted Button at the time Vettel went P1 then Button would have easily made it through. That's an operational mistake.
Hamilton did not look good the Inters either. Remeber Jensons problems on the Inters in Sepang, could be a real horror for McLaren tomorrow (if its intermediate wet).GrizzleBoy wrote:It's literally a combination of Button not being fast enough to get out of the elimination zone on one set and the fact that the team left it too late to change the tyres on their cars.
One driver was fast enough to be out of the elimination zone and therefore not be affected by the late decision. The other was unfortunately not.
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Button said that the new inter were perfect because they came out of the tyre warmers so they had retained heat which was not the case in the first run when he had to queue behind other cars in the first run .myurr wrote:Sorry but you really betray a lack of understanding here. When the circuit was drying the inter tyres start degrading and lose performance. By the time the circuit was at its best the grip had already gone from them. The edges of the tread get worn and lose their bite, the tread depth decreases so there isn't the movement in the rubber to generate heat and the tyres can't shift as much water, and there is thermal degradation of the rubber. It's probably not a coincidence that Vettel was slowish during the early parts of the session but then came to the fore when the conditions were perfect. That car, at least in his hands, has probably the best tyre management out there and by being slower early on then he's putting less energy into the tyre overall.LionKing wrote:Button was on the circuit all the time. He was on the circuit at the same time many other drivers set better times. It is not as if he missed the time when the circuit was at its best due to strategy.
I would understand what you are saying if Button was towards the front at the beginning of Q1 and others put on new tires and set better times and he was too late to do so and left out meanwhile...
Finally, I am not sure the circuit was better at the end anyway. There was heavy rain at S3....
I don't claim Button would be right at the front of the field, but certainly good enough to make it through to Q2.
Edit: Had they pitted Button at the time Vettel went P1 then Button would have easily made it through. That's an operational mistake.
