Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

[beelsebob]

Who cares, right? The correct people were penalized, so we just have to accept it (regardless of right or wrong) and move on.

That's the point – the "correct" people weren't really penalised – you can't penalise someone for ignoring a light that wasn't flashing on their dashboard, or for paying attention to green flashing lights at the side of the track.

At this rate, a third party is going to have to be brought it to ensure that the FIA apply the rules and regulations fairly across all races / sessions / drivers. I can't help but feel that the application of penalties and rules is different at every race, which makes a mockery of the sport.

Agreed – notably, what penalty did Alonso receive for ignoring double waved yellows in Brazil?

[Trailer23]

how long does it take to remove a dog from track?

probably a helluva lot quicker than if a cow were to wander on the track....

Its called Pitch Invasion & 5 mins into FP1, that has got to be a good sign . Maybe they'll add Dog Catchers to the Marshalls by tomorrow.

[Gerhard Berger]

Who cares, right? The correct people were penalized, so we just have to accept it (regardless of right or wrong) and move on.

That's the point – the "correct" people weren't really penalised – you can't penalise someone for ignoring a light that wasn't flashing on their dashboard, or for paying attention to green flashing lights at the side of the track.

At this rate, a third party is going to have to be brought it to ensure that the FIA apply the rules and regulations fairly across all races / sessions / drivers. I can't help but feel that the application of penalties and rules is different at every race, which makes a mockery of the sport.

Agreed – notably, what penalty did Alonso receive for ignoring double waved yellows in Brazil?

I do agree,but i wonder if Hamilton is now more open to receiving penalties for a misdemeanor like this given that he already has a number of reprimands this season. Kind of similar to Villeneuve in Suzuka 97.

[Trailer23]

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa have both paid tribute to the (late) Dan Wheldon on their respective helmets.


And Jarno Trulli did the same for fellow countryman, the (late) Marco Simoncelli.

[WhiteBlue]

I enjoyed both free practise sessions and it appears to me that the circuit got nothing but praise beside the dog invasion. I hope they will get a grip on that problem. It has happened to other circuits as well. I just think that dog can hide somewhere on the circuit if there is no traffic. By the time the engines roar they get flushed out and when they are caught they will not be able to come back. So hopefully this will be a singular pair of events.

[myurr]

I do agree,but i wonder if Hamilton is now more open to receiving penalties for a misdemeanor like this given that he already has a number of reprimands this season. Kind of similar to Villeneuve in Suzuka 97.

That would show partiality in the application of the rules though - each incident should be judged on its own and the rules applied consistently to all.

Unfortunately that doesn't happen at the moment (nor has it since I started watching F1 way back in the 80's).

[ell66]

What a complete joke, green lights flashing and no doubt the in car signal would of shown it was ok, good job FIA, incompetent tools. I also dont understand why it took so long to remove the car at the side of the track.

[ringo]

I think the thing with this one myurr is that it was potentially endangering real people - what if someone had a brake failure at 250 kph while marshals were on track? FP pit lane speeding gets fined if I remember correctly but you never get close to those kinds of speeds

F1 is always potentially dangerous. Just another biased penalty for Hamilton.
Can't remember the last time there was a brake failure during a yellow flag.
That's a very stretched reason to impose that penalty.
Especially if we compare to Rosberg smashing up another car in Korea when he passed the pit lane, and his brakes did fail him so to speak.
We got double standards in F1 so we just have to call a spade a spade. These penalties no longer surprise me; it's all in a days work for Hamilton.

Hamilton was looking good for pole position. That's the true reason for the penalty.

[wesley123]

Just read about the penalty, and I must say this;
Another great example of the stewards not giving fair penalties, for speeding in the pitlane(which in turn is much more dangerous) you get fined, for driving to fast in a training session under yellow flags gives you a 3 place grid penalty? The punishment itself is already stupid, the reason is even more stupid. Speeding in the pitlane is far, far more dangerous than speeding under a yellow flag. Wow you are driving 200kph too fast, you might scoop a marshall. Yeah sure, if you hit a marshall with 200kph on these way too wide tracks you must had the intention to hit him. it is just bs and you are more likely to scoop one in the pitlane then on track.

[beelsebob]

Just read about the penalty, and I must say this;
Another great example of the stewards not giving fair penalties, for speeding in the pitlane(which in turn is much more dangerous) you get fined, for driving to fast in a training session under yellow flags gives you a 3 place grid penalty? The punishment itself is already stupid, the reason is even more stupid. Speeding in the pitlane is far, far more dangerous than speeding under a yellow flag. Wow you are driving 200kph too fast, you might scoop a marshall. Yeah sure, if you hit a marshall with 200kph on these way too wide tracks you must had the intention to hit him. it is just bs and you are more likely to scoop one in the pitlane then on track.

Watch alonso's brazil crash again and reconsider.

[wesley123]

I am quite sure the Indian track is twice as wide as the Brazillian and has at least twice as big run offs, so you got 4 times more road to turn to, the likelyhood of hitting a marshall or so is like 0.0%, like I said if you hit a marshall on tracks like these you had the intention to hit him

[Traction]

I am quite sure the Indian track is twice as wide as the Brazillian and has at least twice as big run offs, so you got 4 times more road to turn to, the likelyhood of hitting a marshall or so is like 0.0%, like I said if you hit a marshall on tracks like these you had the intention to hit him

its called prevention which as they say is better than the cure....

[myurr]

At this rate, a third party is going to have to be brought it to ensure that the FIA apply the rules and regulations fairly across all races / sessions / drivers. I can't help but feel that the application of penalties and rules is different at every race, which makes a mockery of the sport.

Agreed – notably, what penalty did Alonso receive for ignoring double waved yellows in Brazil?

Took me a while to work out what you were talking about with Alonso. But now I get it that you're talking about Brazil 2003.

This is the incident where Mark Webber crashed heavily, there were double waved yellows, several cars entered the crash zone and slowed down, but Alonso kept his foot planted hoping to gain an advantage (something he later admitted). He crashed into one of Webber's tyres that was in the middle of the track and wiped himself out almost taking a marshall with him.

For this accident Alonso received no penalty at all, and even gained from the crash if I remember correctly as the positions were reset to as they had been two laps previously where some runners technically ahead of him had just pitted and were out of position.

Hamilton uses DRS in a practice session in a zone where there were yellow flags but all the FIA electronic signals were showing green, and didn't crash into anyone or come close to hitting a marshall. He also subsequently set a faster time in that sector by quite a margin (0.6s over the lap), and it's being reported that it was the use of DRS that he was punished for. And for this he receives a 3 place grid penalty.

[wesley123]

I am quite sure the Indian track is twice as wide as the Brazillian and has at least twice as big run offs, so you got 4 times more road to turn to, the likelyhood of hitting a marshall or so is like 0.0%, like I said if you hit a marshall on tracks like these you had the intention to hit him

its called prevention which as they say is better than the cure....

What is there to be prevented?

[Traction]

I am quite sure the Indian track is twice as wide as the Brazillian and has at least twice as big run offs, so you got 4 times more road to turn to, the likelyhood of hitting a marshall or so is like 0.0%, like I said if you hit a marshall on tracks like these you had the intention to hit him

its called prevention which as they say is better than the cure....

What is there to be prevented?

safety comes first...prevention of any unsafe situation...stop been short sighted...