Mclaren Honda 2015

[diffuser]

In all the excitement of the race it has gone unsaid that there were 6 chassis ahead of McLaren in the quali.

Merc, RB, Ferrari, FI, TR and Williams.

Although it was just so wet, I'm not sure what it tells us.

The Race was more telling with just the wets. Clearly RB and TR have the 2 best chassis, followed by Merc and Ferrari.

I think McLaren's Chassis is there with FI and Williams. Hopefully, if it's dry in mexico they can adjust the setup to get more out of the what is now the 5th set of aero/chassis mods for the year.

[proteus]

In all the excitement of the race it has gone unsaid that there were 6 chassis ahead of McLaren in the quali.

Merc, RB, Ferrari, FI, TR and Williams.

Although it was just so wet, I'm not sure what it tells us.

The Race was more telling with just the wets. Clearly RB and TR have the 2 best chassis, followed by Merc and Ferrari.

I think McLaren's Chassis is there with FI and Williams. Hopefully, if it's dry in mexico they can adjust the setup to get more out of the what is now the 5th set of aero/chassis mods for the year.

Cant agree with u on that. Mclaren was a match to STR in cornering, the only thing that alloved Sainz to overtake was hp deficit and DRS. Without those two, Jenson would stay ahead. i would say that the Mclarens chasis itself is somewhere third/fourth on the grid. RB is clearly first, followed by Mercedes and i would say that Ferrari is not much better than STR and Mclaren, their saviour is much more powerful engine which provides extra downforce and speed alltogether.

[turbof1]

alonso lap times all over the race it's faster than button ...exept last 10....i reed on twitter somewhere about sensor problem with engine at the end
think last SC damage the result for mclaren ....

before that last SC, Alonso was significantly faster that Button although on quite older tyre.

by the looks of this Mexico will be hell for Honda!?

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Not only due the circuit layout. The track is 2km above sea level which puts heavier emphasis on the turbo to supply the engine with oxygen. A smaller turbo will hence be at a disadvantage.

[GoranF1]

In all the excitement of the race it has gone unsaid that there were 6 chassis ahead of McLaren in the quali.

Merc, RB, Ferrari, FI, TR and Williams.

Although it was just so wet, I'm not sure what it tells us.

The Race was more telling with just the wets. Clearly RB and TR have the 2 best chassis, followed by Merc and Ferrari.

I think McLaren's Chassis is there with FI and Williams. Hopefully, if it's dry in mexico they can adjust the setup to get more out of the what is now the 5th set of aero/chassis mods for the year.

I agree that this race was a real and first actual "eye opener" of the season in terms of chassis performance for all teams.
First thing is that RB is better than Merc in chassis performance still,and they are "miles" in front of Ferrari in that area.
MP4-30 chassis performance was a real disappointment for me during FP3 and Q,doubts about it's performance are now quite clear but i will stand by those claims that say it's simply because PP's to late arrival and car is a compromise of 2 different design philosophies.
Both Honda and Mclaren chassis&aero department have a mountain to climb, but if problems are really "localized" as Alonso says i think it's very much possible.

[ripper]

I don't agree about using this race as an "eye opener" to compare chassis, because there are too many variables that we don't know.

In my opinion RB went for a as much as possible wet setup, while other teams (like Merc) chose a different setup. As soon as the asphalt started to dry both RB started to lose positions and they struggled to get tyres to the correct temperature, moreover at the end of the GP Vettel was faster than Rosberg, but everyone knows that Mercs are still better than Ferrari.

Which kind of problem had Alonso on his PU? I felt sorry for him when I heard that he was down on power, he was doing an excellent job!

[ScottB]

I'm not sure how anyone could come to 'clear' conclusions about anything after a race weekend with virtually no set up time and constantly changing track conditions in the race itself...

[mrluke]

Hmmm not convinced.

Its pretty clear that RB and Merc were in a class of their own, Hamilton seemed to chew through his rear tyres much quicker than the others which allowed the RB to get past but Rosberg didnt seem to have this problem so its likely more reflective of poor setup due to the weather conditions over the weekend than inherent car problems.

The rest appeared to be very evenly matched except for Marussia. Ferrari seemed to have a nightmare in the wet. Think this is probably a bit misleading. Williams were nowhere but Torro Rosso were really strong which has been a consistent theme across the season. Force India also had a very good showing.

Mclaren were okay, seemed to be able to compete with the other cars but were consistently dropping back as opposed to the Torro Rosso drivers who pulled their way through the field.

I think it was difficult to say that Mclaren were loosing out due to BHP, they were very even with Torro Rosso on the straights.

So in Summary:

Merc, RB...... STR, Fer,....... FI, McH, Wil.. Sau, Lot, Mar

Give or take.

[Andres125sx]

Mclaren were okay, seemed to be able to compete with the other cars but were consistently dropping back as opposed to the Torro Rosso drivers who pulled their way through the field.

Alonso was hit by Massa on first corner and spun, being relegated to 19th position. But then he managed to be 5th before the PU failed.

Strategy played a role there so probably 5th was not his real position, but that´s not dropping back consistently

[max_speed]

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... are_Honda/

i think its right stand to take.

[Joseki]

Ricciardo said RB had a wet-setup and to prove it pace and stint length were ridiculous on dry tyres.

McLaren in FP3 didn't run when the track was improving and they went back from P7 I think to P14.

Also Alonso made the second fastest lap time on inters:

[bonjon1979]

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... are_Honda/

i think its right stand to take.

Yep.

Any speed trap data?

Mclaren looked stronger in the race. My hypothesis is that they benefited hugely from the safety cars making them less marginal on fuel so they could run at full tilt rather than it being the new engine per se. I'd like to see timing data tho

[j.yank]

When talking about McLaren chassis don't forget that they are running at full power only about 25% of the lap time, while other teams do this more than 45% per lap. When they are underpowered for so long time the tires can't stay warmer enough resulting in bad overall performance. In this case this is very difficult to say anything about the chassis qualities.

[mrluke]

Mclaren were okay, seemed to be able to compete with the other cars but were consistently dropping back as opposed to the Torro Rosso drivers who pulled their way through the field.

Alonso was hit by Massa on first corner and spun, being relegated to 19th position. But then he managed to be 5th before the PU failed.

Strategy played a role there so probably 5th was not his real position, but that´s not dropping back consistently

Apologies, alonso did get past maldonado, sainz and perez.

Lap chart here:

[NL_Fer]

In the wet running at full power is largely reduced, they shouldn't be bothered by their limited ERS deployment.

[proteus]

In the wet running at full power is largely reduced, they shouldn't be bothered by their limited ERS deployment.

that is not entirely true. Water provides bigger friction force (resistance), which car has to overcome. Then we have more dense air which car has to overcome. Grooved tires make bigger resistance as well. Lack of horsepower has an important effect as on the dry track or even has a greater impact due to the wet conditions.

its like number of hp would not be important in the hillclimb challenge.

and due to their weaker harvesting performance they still lose electric power due to others. And it was also stated that even ICE is still not as powerfull as others are.