2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Slahinki]

I cannot for the life of me understand why they wouldn't just have Sainz let Leclerc through instead of pitting him ridiculously early. And that's coming from a Sainz fan. So many question marks about Ferrari this race. What an utter shambles.

[Spoutnik]

some times I get lost in so many "emotional posts"
Ferrari business is selling cars with Ferrari name, therefore, Ferrari is on top of anybody
why ferrari would prioratize SAI are they going to sell more ferraris in Spain?
i beleive Monaco is a better and larger market than Spain ( even I am Spaniard I have to recognize it)
after the first stop the only beneficiary of the split in laps 19 SAI vs 22 LEC was Leclerc
we may cry because Leclerc did not win the race
yeah ok lets do it.
the most important bad thing was collecting fewer points than RB or MB
the inexplicable for me yet , is why LEC 2nd stint was only 18 laps meanwhile SAI was 29 laps
you don't need a computer, AI to get that question.
what we dont know why the team took such "inexplicable" decision
and I hope there is a good reason
and all the speculation here, looks more like emotional BS!!!!!

They wanted to cover VER undercut.
It was as succesful as shortening Sainz first stint to cover Russell' undercut...

[Rodak]

Yeah I don't blame charles if he took it easy in the last stint. He was really screwed this race and it seems that Sainz is the preferred driver at Ferrari. Not sure why, maybe he cooks a mean spaghetti or something.

He wasn't taking it easy as he was the fastest man on the track at that point. Leclerc is never going to be one to just slack during a race. Give him more credit than that.

The problem was that pace was still a good bit off Lewis's stint on the same tires even though he had less fuel.

To me, that's a car issue. The mediums were great for Leclerc but the other tires clearly weren't.

"... even though he had less fuel..." Let's see, 100 kg fuel maximum, adjust that for conditions and anticipated safety cars, etc. and fill the tank as required and as each team does this, all the cars will be within several kg of the same fuel load at any time during the race so, no. Same fuel loads.

[JPower]

Yeah I don't blame charles if he took it easy in the last stint. He was really screwed this race and it seems that Sainz is the preferred driver at Ferrari. Not sure why, maybe he cooks a mean spaghetti or something.

He wasn't taking it easy as he was the fastest man on the track at that point. Leclerc is never going to be one to just slack during a race. Give him more credit than that.

The problem was that pace was still a good bit off Lewis's stint on the same tires even though he had less fuel.

To me, that's a car issue. The mediums were great for Leclerc but the other tires clearly weren't.

"... even though he had less fuel..." Let's see, 100 kg fuel maximum, adjust that for conditions and anticipated safety cars, etc. and fill the tank as required and as each team does this, all the cars will be within several kg of the same fuel load at any time during the race so, no. Same fuel loads.

Hamilton likely had less fuel than Sainz when they started their soft stints because he pitted for softs 4 laps later. I don't know what you're talking about.

[dialtone]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferra ... /10346787/

Confirmation that it's the tire information while the race is on that is the problem.

"When we fitted the hard, our simulation was that it could have been a difficult couple of laps of warm-up," Binotto explained.
"It would have been slower to the medium for 10-11 laps, and then it would have come back and been faster than the end of the stint, and it was a 30-lap stint.

He also said that they took information from what other teams were doing.

They have a simulation tool, spits out stuff fast enough for them to make calls, it however is either fed bad data or their tire modeling is off or something like that. They've had this issue in Jeddah, Silverstone and now here. Plus the obvious errors in Monaco. Should have enough data to understand why their modeling is off at this point without risking any overfitting, they've made this mistake at night, in the dry, in the drying, in the cold, in the hot...

[Rodak]

I think they have two core issues and none is actually their strategy people directly:
1. It seems they don't have simulation tools as advanced as the other teams. I don't think you can buy these and you need to develop them in-house and integrate them with your simulator and modelling tools. From the speed at which decisions are taken in changing conditions (safety car, VSC, rain etc) it seems to me that RB and Mercedes have a reaction time measured in seconds, whilst Ferrari looks like there's an actual person modeling the new scenario and reacting. This would also make sense given that Italy is not particularly renowned for its software or mathematics strength, whilst UK has top universities in both of those fields as well as really strong software industry.

This point is fine until you end up insulting a whole country...

Ferrari has plenty of people not from italy working there, Rueda is spanish and is the chief strategist, Mekies is French and is race director.

Second, I know a ton of extremely skilled developers and data analysts in Italy, enough to make any team happy, they are both extremely skilled and extremely cheap. I work in Silicon Valley and have teams from north america, south america, europe (dublin) and italy and the italian teams are every bit as good, if not better, than the other teams.

Third, it's total rubbish that Italy is bad about software or mathematics... It speaks more about your ignorance than it does about anything else. What do you think takes to design an F1 car as good as F1-75? cooking skills? Or wine tasting? Man...

+1

[tpe]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferra ... /10346787/

Confirmation that it's the tire information while the race is on that is the problem.

"When we fitted the hard, our simulation was that it could have been a difficult couple of laps of warm-up," Binotto explained.
"It would have been slower to the medium for 10-11 laps, and then it would have come back and been faster than the end of the stint, and it was a 30-lap stint.

He also said that they took information from what other teams were doing.

They have a simulation tool, spits out stuff fast enough for them to make calls, it however is either fed bad data or their tire modeling is off or something like that. They've had this issue in Jeddah, Silverstone and now here. Plus the obvious errors in Monaco. Should have enough data to understand why their modeling is off at this point without risking any overfitting, they've made this mistake at night, in the dry, in the drying, in the cold, in the hot...

Yeap.
We go back to the "XLS" argument...

[NL_Fer]

Maybe Charles’ hard tires were ruined by the cold temps and the heavy defence needed on the first laps.

[mendis]

I cannot for the life of me understand why they wouldn't just have Sainz let Leclerc through instead of pitting him ridiculously early. And that's coming from a Sainz fan. So many question marks about Ferrari this race. What an utter shambles.

Sainz, like Ocon is happy to fight with his team mate rather than fighting with the competition. It was utterly stupid for Sainz to simply sit behind Russell for the whole stint, blocking Leclerc and allowing Russell eke out a lot of performance from his tyres. He never seemed remotely interested in attacking Russell. When Leclerc got ahead after first pit stop, he made an easy meat of Russell. Even in second stint, Sainz was simply sitting behind Russell and then Red Bull robbed them both in one sweep with Max. Ferrari is either plain stupid or they are hell bent on losing the championship on purpose. There is no other explanation to leave a lacklustre Sainz ahead of Leclerc for such a long duration. Binotto seems stupid and adamant in how he is managing his drivers.

[selvam_e2002]

Binotto need to take responsibility and lean from it. Giving an excuse is not good for leaders. He will gone soon or later.

[mendis]

[selvam_e2002]

Now I understand why they have young drivers. They are young and listen to their leaders. Hence these things happening. If you have Alonso/Ham/Vettel, in Ferrari they are experienced and it is difficult to manage them. Binotto keep on giving excuses.... Let see what they are going to do remaining races after summer break. They can loose to Mercedes as well.....if it is continues like this.

[Andres125sx]

Is people really critizicing Sainz after the team ruined his race twice with two pitstops longer than 4,5 seconds??

First exposed him to Lecrerc, second to Russell, forcing him to overtake at the beginning of the stints, forcing him to push the tires, wich is known to ruin the tires, but let´s ignore this facts and blame him...


Ferrari ruined the race of both drivers, what a joke of a team

[Andres125sx]

Perfect way to end this weekend. Ah once again there was no comparison in terms of pace between Sainz and Leclerc.

shhhh .

that doesn't matter. Sainz finished 4th ...so lets assume he performed better. thats how it works here.

shhh, people shoudn´t notice Ferrari ruined Sainz race before they ruined Lecrerc race

[Shal_Leg16]

I cannot for the life of me understand why they wouldn't just have Sainz let Leclerc through instead of pitting him ridiculously early. And that's coming from a Sainz fan. So many question marks about Ferrari this race. What an utter shambles.

Sainz, like Ocon is happy to fight with his team mate rather than fighting with the competition. It was utterly stupid for Sainz to simply sit behind Russell for the whole stint, blocking Leclerc and allowing Russell eke out a lot of performance from his tyres. He never seemed remotely interested in attacking Russell. When Leclerc got ahead after first pit stop, he made an easy meat of Russell. Even in second stint, Sainz was simply sitting behind Russell and then Red Bull robbed them both in one sweep with Max. Ferrari is either plain stupid or they are hell bent on losing the championship on purpose. There is no other explanation to leave a lacklustre Sainz ahead of Leclerc for such a long duration. Binotto seems stupid and adamant in how he is managing his drivers.

i have said this time and time here and i get called for it, but truth is Sainz's primary target is to match/beat Lelcerc , rest is secondary.

he will be more than happy if he beats leclerc again by 5 points irrespective of it being a overall 3rd or 4th place finish in final drivers standings . He will for sure consider it as a successful season.