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[Shal_Leg16]

Perfect way to end this weekend. Ah once again there was no comparison in terms of pace between Sainz and Leclerc.

shhhh .

that doesn't matter. Sainz finished 4th ...so lets assume he performed better. thats how it works here.

shhh, people shoudn´t notice Ferrari ruined Sainz race before they ruined Lecrerc race

Really ? he couldnt get rid of Russell in 1st stint , also held off Leclerc in that process which allowed guys starting from 7th & 10th on the grid to get into the fold. his performance in 1st stint defied whole purpose of starting higher on the grid .

if that was a Mercedes or RB they won't take 5 laps to think what to do, neither they had pitted sainz to avoid the swap....one simple msg - you are on different strategy and leclerc was through on Russell or least he would have pulled off enough gap to avoid what happened.

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[Shal_Leg16]

Is people really critizicing Sainz after the team ruined his race twice with two pitstops longer than 4,5 seconds??

First exposed him to Lecrerc, second to Russell, forcing him to overtake at the beginning of the stints, forcing him to push the tires, wich is known to ruin the tires, but let´s ignore this facts and blame him...


Ferrari ruined the race of both drivers, what a joke of a team

ohhh my lord.....

" forcing him to overtake at the beginning of the stints, forcing him to push the tires "

what else Sainz was supposed to do....just move around for 70 laps and collect - " i also ran " pay cheque ?

on serious note he did neither of the two, sure he was unfortunate with bad pit stops but so was Russell, leclerc's stops were not any special either thats typical of Ferrari but you are trying to hide his bad performance behind those pitstops.

[mendis]

Perfect way to end this weekend. Ah once again there was no comparison in terms of pace between Sainz and Leclerc.

shhhh .

that doesn't matter. Sainz finished 4th ...so lets assume he performed better. thats how it works here.

shhh, people shoudn´t notice Ferrari ruined Sainz race before they ruined Lecrerc race

While Ferrari has does a lot of f*** ups, this one is Sainz's problem. He simply didn't show any intent of overtaking Russell. That's the root of all problems to begin with. If he would have jumped Russell and no doubt Leclerc would have jumped him too and then they could have disappeared in distance to counter any undercut possibilities from the drivers behind. They could have potentially pulled off an easy Medium-Medium-Softs.

[Shal_Leg16]

shhhh .

that doesn't matter. Sainz finished 4th ...so lets assume he performed better. thats how it works here.

shhh, people shoudn´t notice Ferrari ruined Sainz race before they ruined Lecrerc race

While Ferrari has does a lot of f*** ups, this one is Sainz's problem. He simply didn't show any intent of overtaking Russell. That's the root of all problems to begin with. If he would have jumped Russell and no doubt Leclerc would have jumped him too and then they could have disappeared in distance to counter any undercut possibilities from the drivers behind. They could have potentially pulled off an easy Medium-Medium-Softs.

To be honest have we ever saw sainz do that ? hunting down a top Car driver ( any of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes boys ) and pass them on track ?

its easy to say Sainz should have overtaken Russell but i doubt he really can unless some good tyre advantage.

[tpe]

To be honest have we ever saw sainz do that ? hunting down a top Car driver ( any of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes boys ) and pass them on track ?

its easy to say Sainz should have overtaken Russell but i doubt he really can unless some good tyre advantage.

Last week in France. Really nice moves.

[Spoutnik]

. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

[Shal_Leg16]

To be honest have we ever saw sainz do that ? hunting down a top Car driver ( any of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes boys ) and pass them on track ?

its easy to say Sainz should have overtaken Russell but i doubt he really can unless some good tyre advantage.

Last week in France. Really nice moves.

yes nice moves but im talking more about drivers in top car and not like the strolls, ocons on the grid.

[Shal_Leg16]

i love leclerc fans tears

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

They didnt move sainz aside at all , Russel pitted and they responded with pitting Sainz. even if we assume they did it for Leclerc there is no point in doing that after wasting 10 laps and critical race time.

Regarding " leclerc being in different league " we all saw his league when in 2nd stint not only he dispatched Russell swiftly but also pulled of 6sec gap on him within no time . Thats the difference in league of a Champion materiel and a avg joe.

[Juzh]

To be honest have we ever saw sainz do that ? hunting down a top Car driver ( any of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes boys ) and pass them on track ?

its easy to say Sainz should have overtaken Russell but i doubt he really can unless some good tyre advantage.

Last week in France. Really nice moves.

yes nice moves but im talking more about drivers in top car and not like the strolls, ocons on the grid.

He overtook russell and perez too, while being on a little faster tyre at that stage. Other than that I struggle to remember a genuine overtake from him.

[mendis]

i love leclerc fans tears

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

From Lap 2 to Lap 13, Sainz was sitting comfortably behind Russell with a gap of 2 seconds. Never really seemed like attacking, whereas Leclerc was waiting patiently behind. It would have been harakiri if Leclerc would have forced the matter on Sainz as he would have aggressively defended to the detriment of a good team result. This is where Binotto fails as a team principal and Red Bull excels. As soon as Leclerc was released, he was a second a lap faster for the next 3 laps. At that point, a lot of damage was done, but Ferrari was stupid to not leave him longer and instead, they pulled him in to give an overcut. Once out of Sainz's clutches, Leclerc comfortably overtook Russell. It just shows, if Leclerc was ahead of Sainz after Lap 1, he would have easily cleared Russel in the first stint itself. Sainz doesn't have those killer instintcts to howl his pray and overtake like Max or Leclerc can do. I don't see any point in defending Sainz on this one.

[KeiKo403]

i love leclerc fans tears

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

They didnt move sainz aside at all , Russel pitted and they responded with pitting Sainz. even if we assume they did it for Leclerc there is no point in doing that after wasting 10 laps and critical race time.

Regarding " leclerc being in different league " we all saw his league when in 2nd stint not only he dispatched Russell swiftly but also pulled of 6sec gap on him within no time . Thats the difference in league of a Champion materiel and a avg joe.

Said average Joe beat him to pole in a worse car...
Leclerc is Champion material, but to cast Russell aside as an average Joe is a mistake. He's championship material just as much.

[Spoutnik]

[Shal_Leg16]

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

They didnt move sainz aside at all , Russel pitted and they responded with pitting Sainz. even if we assume they did it for Leclerc there is no point in doing that after wasting 10 laps and critical race time.

Regarding " leclerc being in different league " we all saw his league when in 2nd stint not only he dispatched Russell swiftly but also pulled of 6sec gap on him within no time . Thats the difference in league of a Champion materiel and a avg joe.

Said average Joe beat him to pole in a worse car...
Leclerc is Champion material, but to cast Russell aside as an average Joe is a mistake. He's championship material just as much.

ffs ... pls dont be like Ferrari strategic team. i wanst talking about Russell.

[basti313]

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

They didnt move sainz aside at all , Russel pitted and they responded with pitting Sainz. even if we assume they did it for Leclerc there is no point in doing that after wasting 10 laps and critical race time.

Regarding " leclerc being in different league " we all saw his league when in 2nd stint not only he dispatched Russell swiftly but also pulled of 6sec gap on him within no time . Thats the difference in league of a Champion materiel and a avg joe.

Said average Joe beat him to pole in a worse car...
Leclerc is Champion material, but to cast Russell aside as an average Joe is a mistake. He's championship material just as much.

This does not matter. You simple do not sit at 2 sec with a faster car. Sainz was part of this bad strategy which started at sitting and waiting. In the current formula you simply have to attack and once your tires are gone you either undercut or in this case have your teammate hunt the lead car. This is something Merc has even done with Bottas.
Ferrari has digged their own grave with the first stint. Without this bad stint the pitstop issues would not have mattered.

[Spoutnik]

i love leclerc fans tears

On a more serious note. Leclerc pace wasn't "different league". He was never on the DRS zone of Sainz until Sainz close down on Russell and was in the DRS zone of him. It wasn't, imo, like in Silverstone where Leclerc was clearly faster.
When he was 0.500 behind Russell I don't think Ferrari could tell him to get out of the way.
Then Ferrari compromised his race in order to let Leclerc run in free air : why on earth is he pitted so early with Mediums ? Made no sense like the 2nd stop of Leclerc : too early. Even if Sainz was slower on race pace than Leclerc probably we've seen an okay pace from him on the Mediums when he went long on them. So, imo Ferrari strategy/"get out of the way for Charles", cost him a near certain podium.

It is very stupid when you know what happened for Leclerc after...

They didnt move sainz aside at all , Russel pitted and they responded with pitting Sainz. even if we assume they did it for Leclerc there is no point in doing that after wasting 10 laps and critical race time.

Regarding " leclerc being in different league " we all saw his league when in 2nd stint not only he dispatched Russell swiftly but also pulled of 6sec gap on him within no time . Thats the difference in league of a Champion materiel and a avg joe.

Idk if they wanted to move him aside or they just went for a stupid strategy again but there was nos reason to cover Russell, furthermore his exit lap was clean so Sainz would never overtake him "in the pit". If the aim was to cover Russell strategy they should start on soft like Russell, there's no reason to put medium tyres and stop at the same stage as someone on soft tyres.

Sainz second stint was also pretty good. Im not saying he was faster than Charles, I don't know, but for sure P2/P3 was possible by extending the first stint/better pit stops.
As Ferrari fans you shouldn't call your own driver average Sainz showed more this year than Perez last year or Bottas imo and he's not suffering of the comparaison with Charles.