Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

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stefan_ wrote:I am really looking forward to what the troglodyte will do at the start and the first laps :)
You should mind your words :wink:

To something else is interesting. As Whitmarsh said, FIA has to think about the amount of tyres teams may use over a weekend. As Q3 was really not a good event for the sport. I have to say that Schumacher`s criticism about the tyres seems founded. The problem he mentioned showed it`s effect in Q3 because now the gap between both compounds was as high as needed to force all the teams to give up their tyre preservation.He told it from the driver`s point of view, Whitmarsh from the teams point of view with the public in mind. I mean honestly, i cannot hear it anymore " tyres will be the issue this weekend, it will all depend on the tyres and how they behave". They should worry about drivers in their cars beeing faster. Not tyre ---. Do you guys really like hearing this from the members of the sport? Webber and Button out of Q3, that is really a shame as it is not representative for the speed of the drivers and cars.

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FrukostScones wrote: I was asking? I just wanted to say that 11 and 12 are very good grid positions.
Maldonado out of nowhere? Check the timing of all the sessions again. FP1, FP2, FP3.
They are good grid positions for people and/or cars who can't do any better.

As it stands, the only rational explanations are that they were either trying too hard to preserve tyres and didn't try to set a faster time, or they weren't interested in getting into Q3 in the first place.

Neither of which has anything to do with trying to be the fastest and is once again showing how tyres overly dictate the weekend.

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Autosport wrote:Hamilton failed to return to the pits after his final qualifying lap, a move that is likely to be investigated by the stewards as drivers are required to make their way back to the pitlane.

"I stopped on track, I don't have any idea why," he said.
Running a bit too light on fuel, perhaps?

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
FrukostScones wrote: I was asking? I just wanted to say that 11 and 12 are very good grid positions.
Maldonado out of nowhere? Check the timing of all the sessions again. FP1, FP2, FP3.
They are good grid positions for people and/or cars who can't do any better.

As it stands, the only rational explanations are that they were either trying too hard to preserve tyres and didn't try to set a faster time, or they weren't interested in getting into Q3 in the first place.

Neither of which has anything to do with trying to be the fastest and is once again showing how tyres overly dictate the weekend.
..or it´s simply Williams who has created the biggest step together with Ferrari.

The field is so tight that one tenth will decide if you make it to Q3 or not.
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siskue2005 wrote:What was vetted doing at the start
alexander wurz said that he is conditioning his tyres. by applying heat, without stressing the tyre, a chemical reaction would take place. this apparently should make the tyre last a little bit longer.

then he also expects some of those who didnt run in q3 to go out on the hard compound as it is supposed to be the faster one in race trim.

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This was the first time that Vettel did not set time in Q3 in his career. After today i hope Pireli will change something because this is hilarious.

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Nando wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:
FrukostScones wrote: I was asking? I just wanted to say that 11 and 12 are very good grid positions.
Maldonado out of nowhere? Check the timing of all the sessions again. FP1, FP2, FP3.
They are good grid positions for people and/or cars who can't do any better.

As it stands, the only rational explanations are that they were either trying too hard to preserve tyres and didn't try to set a faster time, or they weren't interested in getting into Q3 in the first place.

Neither of which has anything to do with trying to be the fastest and is once again showing how tyres overly dictate the weekend.
..or it´s simply Williams who has created the biggest step together with Ferrari.

The field is so tight that one tenth will decide if you make it to Q3 or not.
So Williams come out of testing and Maldonado is all of a sudden qualifying almost a second faster than Vettel is he?

As I said, both Webber and Button are out because of fear of using up too much tyres. Either they were too conservative with their times in Q2 trying to save rubber, or they weren't too concerned about Q3 at all.

People can keep banging on about the field being tight and one tenth being deciders and all that, but regardless of how the car felt for Button in Q2, he's not half a second slower than Hamilton.

They were holding back and it cost them, but once again, it comes down to tyre preservation tactics deciding race position, not driver ability. Unless

Vettel, the pole position king who seemingly craves pole and fastest laps because of his hunger for competitiveness didn't even set a time.
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Skywalker@ wrote:This was the first time that Vettel did not set time in Q3 in his career. After today i hope Pireli will change something because this is hilarious.
Not true. In China he was not in Q3. And that was while banging a lap in.
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Button was locking up quite often from changing to another brake compound. I think he switched from ap to brembo not sure. Maybe he went through too many sents locking up and damaging the tires.
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GrizzleBoy wrote:So Williams come out of testing and Maldonado is all of a sudden qualifying almost a second faster than Vettel is he?

As I said, both Webber and Button are out because of fear of using up too much tyres. Either they were too conservative with their times in Q2 trying to save rubber, or they weren't too concerned about Q3 at all.

People can keep banging on about the field being tight and one tenth being deciders and all that, but regardless of how the car felt for Button in Q2, he's not a second slower than Hamilton.

They were holding back and it cost them, but once again, it comes down to tyre preservation.

Vettel, the pole position king who seemingly craves pole and fastest laps because of his hunger for competitiveness didn't even set a time.
Could be yes.

And no, Both Button and Webber are out because they had no pace whatsoever.
Button was more on the radio then Rihanna for christ sake complaining about understeer then oversteer then understeer again.

How can you even say "not concerned with Q3 at all" It makes no sense at all.

The reason Button was slower was probably because of setup issues.
Not that he thought "yea...i might just skip Q3 this time..."

Vettel realized he had no chance to improve. He had already used the tires up to the last corner.
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It's good that Pirelli wants F1 to be more exciting but I do not Agree with them by sacrificing "old F1" for "Formula Tyres" c'mon guys it's true , this year everyone wants to protect his tyres we won't see that great battles in Q3 ( althought today's qualis were surprising )

Back to the Race I really think that SV,JB,MW can have a little advantage of using a fresher tyre set ( additional set for Button and Webber which can be interesting)
Alonso up to P3 well done
Massa ..

And GOOD PERFORMANCE BY MALDONADO !
=D> great way to celebrate Sir Franck Williams' 70 years :D
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He(Franck Williams) didn't seem happy after what hapend to Senna, but Maldonado probably cheered him up.

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Nando wrote:
Skywalker@ wrote:This was the first time that Vettel did not set time in Q3 in his career. After today i hope Pireli will change something because this is hilarious.
Not true. In China he was not in Q3. And that was while banging a lap in.
I think Skywalker means Vettel gets through to Q3 but no Q3 time. Obviously the times he didn't get through to Q3 (mostly in his Toro Rosso years) he didn't set a Q3 time...
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Oh sorry, my fault entirely, sorry Skywalker, i mis-read it completely.
Thanks for pointing it out Raymondu.
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Interesting to note that Hamilton was quicker this year then last year by 2 tenths.
And that is without OTBD.

1:21.961
1:21.707

Compared to Vettel,

1:21.181
1:22.884
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