2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

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Since last year that I have been observing, on the face of it, FP2 times are what you see in Race (up to mid race), barring a few exceptions. I don't understand this engine modes, fuel loads and gains overnight as you don't see the cars being vastly different from FP2 to race. This has been the picture for both Ferrari and Mercedes.

Pole position advantage has always put a car in clean air and allows it to run a controlled race pace. At times, even when the car isn't the outright fastest in race mode. Unlike the previous years, where Mercedes used to start from pole and disappear in distance, this year, though Ferrari seems to have been the faster car in qualifying, they haven't managed to run away from the Mercedes. Their race pace corroborates with what you see in qualifying (closest). Despite not being on pole, Mercedes manages to stay very close to Ferrari in races and at so many times, they have proved to be faster in races. It's the qualifying advantage with which Ferrari manages to battle Mercedes. If Mercedes manages pole, then it becomes difficult for Ferrari to keep up.

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GPR-A wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 14:39
Since last year that I have been observing, on the face of it, FP2 times are what you see in Race (up to mid race), barring a few exceptions. I don't understand this engine modes, fuel loads and gains overnight as you don't see the cars being vastly different from FP2 to race. This has been the picture for both Ferrari and Mercedes.

Pole position advantage has always put a car in clean air and allows it to run a controlled race pace. At times, even when the car isn't the outright fastest in race mode. Unlike the previous years, where Mercedes used to start from pole and disappear in distance, this year, though Ferrari seems to have been the faster car in qualifying, they haven't managed to run away from the Mercedes. Their race pace corroborates with what you see in qualifying (closest). Despite not being on pole, Mercedes manages to stay very close to Ferrari in races and at so many times, they have proved to be faster in races. It's the qualifying advantage with which Ferrari manages to battle Mercedes. If Mercedes manages pole, then it becomes difficult for Ferrari to keep up.
Pretty much.

My theory is, the Ferrari engine is less efficient, and this might be causing the 'apparent' differentials from FP2 to quali-3 (if there is such a thing - would need the data to assess the claim).

When Ferrari and Mercedes perform race sims (start to mid race, conducted in FP2), they're comparable, Mercedes possibly a bit faster.

But, Mercedes don't need as full a tank as Ferrari do. Ferrari are able to 'gain' more when switching to qualifying trim because they are removing 95kg of weight, while Mercedes only remove 90kg (using example figures).

This would imply the Ferrari is the faster car in an absolute sense, but the Mercedes is faster per unit of fuel consumption.

I doubt the differentials are big either way, so it is impossible to say with any certainty.

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Barcelona winter testing was said to reveal that Mercedes had the more fuel efficient engine. On some tracks this translates to a bigger advantage than others.
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Somewhat cloudy, 20 degrees in the air. What were FP2 temperatures?

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Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:06
Somewhat cloudy, 20 degrees in the air. What were FP2 temperatures?
Air 21C track 43C

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Vandoorne turning his car around like.. Image

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Thank you matt!

Does anyone else have connectivity issues with F1 app? Just No Network message appears.

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Hamilton BTW is looking ominous. It may not even matter if Merc is good on HS, might as well put US on for pole!
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Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:27
Thank you matt!

Does anyone else have connectivity issues with F1 app? Just No Network message appears.
I was having this issue, seems ok at the moment though, its a problem their end by the look of it.

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Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:30
Hamilton BTW is looking ominous. It may not even matter if Merc is good on HS, might as well put US on for pole!
Yeah?

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Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:30
Hamilton BTW is looking ominous. It may not even matter if Merc is good on HS, might as well put US on for pole!
It seems that Mercedes doesn't like the HS tyres

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Let's eat my own words... Hamilton has made a good lap now.

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Vasconia wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:46
Let's eat my own words... Hamilton has made a good lap now.
He's constantly some tenths up after S2. I think he's maybe playing around with S3, we'll see.

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Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:30
Hamilton BTW is looking ominous. It may not even matter if Merc is good on HS, might as well put US on for pole!
So you think Mercedes is a second faster than Ferrari on pure one lap pace? :)

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LM10 wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:48
Bill_Kar wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 17:30
Hamilton BTW is looking ominous. It may not even matter if Merc is good on HS, might as well put US on for pole!
So you think Mercedes is a second faster than Ferrari on pure one lap pace? :)
Nah, I'm not a daydreamer :mrgreen: