Virgin MVR-02 Cosworth

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Yes as i said Glock's strenght is in the race. He's a very strong racer. To say glock doesn't belong in F1 is a stretch.

Trulli is a hard man to beat in quali. Though Kovalinen seems to be getting the better of him. Goes to show how good heiki is, thought the power steering could be trulli's problem.

Sutil will get a seat over him any day though. Glock's next best move is to Force India or Mercedes. If truli retires he could fit in well in lotus, which should be a better car next year.
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Agreed. Glock needs to get out of there before he becomes a forgotten talent.

Starting to see the disappointment in his face, he really has been let down by the team, though how much have the team been let down by Xtrac is another question I guess.

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Wirth and Virgin have to step up now and get their act together .Itsurely does not help when unreliability creeps back in at a time when upgrades are not working as planned.Glock is a tough guy and he will find new motivation for Spain no doubt about it.His task is to knock on the door of his bosses constantly and spurr them on..to fork out more money and to come up with solutions to their lack of speed.

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marcush. wrote:Wirth and Virgin have to step up now and get their act together .Itsurely does not help when unreliability creeps back in at a time when upgrades are not working as planned.Glock is a tough guy and he will find new motivation for Spain no doubt about it.His task is to knock on the door of his bosses constantly and spurr them on..to fork out more money and to come up with solutions to their lack of speed.
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Glock is a good driver, and will keep himself together im sure. It cant be all bad for him, afterall he still remains a loyal servant to virgin despite all the setbacks, Um sure these are qulalities team would appreciate in any talented driver.
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marcush. wrote:brings me to the question what they did with those three tubs and the old bodywork..maybe there was another chance to buy contemporary F1 stuff not worth much but perfectly suited for someone just out to have some expensive fun...
VR/01-01, 02 & 03 A Spec are all now show cars. One is on show at Manor GP and another in Wirth Research, both in the reception of the respective facilities. The third is on show as the official Virgin static showcar for when they put a new sponsor on the car, like when the announced CNBCs sponsorship of the team.

As for the 3 B spec cars, VR/01B-04, 05 & 06, one is their show car for events like Goodwood, another is at Marussia Cars reception and the last in in the Virgin/Withh Research Formula 1 simulator.

Oficially, Virgin only had 4 tubs last year, but there was 6 or 7 produced, as 3 were "A spec" and 4 were "B Spec" as all 4 raced as Glock wrote off one at Canada.

Virgin are the most secretive about chassis numbers of all teams. They even came up with the idea of naming Chassis last year with names, but that didnt go down well with the FIA as the rules state that chassis must follow a numbered system.

Virgin never release any details about chassis in press releases, the only way i get my chassis data for them is from Autosport Magazine. I just think its the way they want to control information, they dont want to have people like me collate roughly how much a chassis has on its log file that each chassis has now, as each chassis has a file with what set up it had at each GP and what each chassis has had done to it. However teams when selling those chassis, dont give those files away as they often have compromising data on them. Those files usually make their way into the public domain after a team goes bust. Last team to do this was Prost, as Arrows got bought up by Super Aguri, and they went to Hond, and now those files are held by Mercedes in effect.

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Glock is writing for motorsport-total site this year and has aired his thoughts about the car and the upgrades for Turkey...
He stated that they had major problems with the DRS in winter testing and only later realised that they lack overall downforce big time.This has made impossible the planned step to be as quick as team lotus so far...
He stated that those updates netted 4 tenth per lap but the new exhaust did unsettle the car too much when going off throttle..But he was happy that they had no bodywork go up in flames issues as some other teams.
He looks upbeat about the refinements of the updates for the coming races and has hinted at changes in the approach to development to be decided by the team now...

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does anyone now if the aero test is avaliable for watching any where like the lotus test was?
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marcush. wrote:Glock is writing for motorsport-total site this year and has aired his thoughts about the car and the upgrades for Turkey...
He stated that they had major problems with the DRS in winter testing and only later realised that they lack overall downforce big time.This has made impossible the planned step to be as quick as team lotus so far...
Yeah, they were kind of caught with their pants down in this one. I guess they had no idea just how much the other teams had managed to improve their cars. And with the mvr-02 being only somewhat of an upgrade from last year's car, it's been a shocking start for the season. Now they are chasing a gap of 2-3 seconds to the midfield, which imo is just too much for a team like Virgin. Sadly, i cant see them getting anywhere near Q2 this year (under normal conditions).
He stated that those updates netted 4 tenth per lap but the new exhaust did unsettle the car too much when going off throttle..But he was happy that they had no bodywork go up in flames issues as some other teams.
He looks upbeat about the refinements of the updates for the coming races and has hinted at changes in the approach to development to be decided by the team now...
I believe there's much more to come from those updates. The raised nose, new front wing, floor,exhaust, diffuser...did i miss something? In Turkey it really didn't work as expected. Even without the exhaust, they should have made a bigger step forward. I'd like to think it is just an issue with having too little track time.

The EBD is very much dependent on ECU mapping. There is probably quite a lot work to do with it. It's a challenge for Cosworth too, but we'll have to wait and see how Williams perform in Barcelona, as they also bring their own version of the EBD.

I'm beginning to think that maybe an occasional visit to a wind tunnel wouldn't do them any harm. But more than that, i think they need to recruit more capable people to the aero design team. I really would not blame the CFD for their poor car, but the people behind the design. It just isn't working and there seem to be some quite fundamental flaws. But hopefully they can solve these problems. Because unless they know what's wrong with this car, how could they make the much needed leap towards the midfield next year?

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PNSD wrote:Agreed. Glock needs to get out of there before he becomes a forgotten talent.

Starting to see the disappointment in his face, he really has been let down by the team, though how much have the team been let down by Xtrac is another question I guess.
Agree on Glock. There are always hungry, young drivers ready to jump inot any F1 seat they can get. One also must ask what this will do for Wirth's reputation. He's had a few shots at F1, but has not established himself in the top tier. It could be said that the Virgin is more than just a bad design, but that it represents a bad basic design philosophy: (all CFD; no windtunnel).
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siwillems wrote:does anyone now if the aero test is avaliable for watching any where like the lotus test was?
I know it has already taken place, but there's no way to enter the IDIADA facilities if you haven't booked a test there. It even has car bunkers for when a plane approaches!

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Am I correct? EBD from Virgin?

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Yeah I wasn't expecting that, nice little solution for the tyres as well. Ridiculously simple.
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Looks neat. Wish it was fast aswell :lol:

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is that a pitot tube sampling exhaust airspeed? the installation looks quite crude more like pipe plumbing from your local hydraulic supplies...sorry Mr.Wirth.

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marcush. wrote:is that a pitot tube sampling exhaust airspeed? the installation looks quite crude more like pipe plumbing from your local hydraulic supplies...sorry Mr.Wirth.
You talking just about the pitot tube? I would be surprised if they run that during the race. I think the EBD looks good, better than some of the higher up teams from a phsyical install perspective.
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