2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Another point that needs to be understood is that the point system was different back then (when Senna raced). Until 1991, only best 11 finishes in a season for a driver would count toward WDC. This meant that being reckless was not being penalized that much compared to today when in an age of reliable cars with predictable top teams, crashing out of a single grand prix can mean you are 20ish points behind your closest competitor.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 23:32
Another point that needs to be understood is that the point system was different back then (when Senna raced). Until 1991, only best 11 finishes in a season for a driver would count toward WDC. This meant that being reckless was not being penalized that much compared to today when in an age of reliable cars with predictable top teams, crashing out of a single grand prix can mean you are 20ish points behind your closest competitor.
I'd say being reckless back then could be penalized much more, unfortunately, and not just for the aggressor.
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rogazilla wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 18:01
zoroastar wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 17:14
yea basically. its not something that is going to get penalties dished out. it just sucks when a million fans watching are telling Sainz, "dont f#king try it dude!" through their tv.
Except that I like Carlos more because he went for it! I am more excited about McL's 2 drivers because of this race!
yea i like carlos too. and in the heat of action, nobody has the time to micro analyze everything.

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He should risk everything when he get's another opportunity at Verstappen. Drivers shouldn't back off because they're scared of Verstappen. I rather have him showing some Spanish balls. It's all a bit too lovey dovey in F1 anyway, drivers should have some form of hate for each other on track, makes racing much better.

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Lando said:Much of what we tested today is a small modification, not a key update - we will work with them tomorrow.

We are waiting for new items. [-o< [-o< [-o<

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RonDennis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 01:06
He should risk everything when he get's another opportunity at Verstappen. Drivers shouldn't back off because they're scared of Verstappen. I rather have him showing some Spanish balls. It's all a bit too lovey dovey in F1 anyway, drivers should have some form of hate for each other on track, makes racing much better.
Backing off from a tricky pass while you are on the outside, on LAP 5 of the race, while you are faster, and on a track that you can definitely overtake others, its not an act of weakens or cowardliness. Its an act of racing maturity.

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_cerber1 wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 07:01
Lando said:Much of what we tested today is a small modification, not a key update - we will work with them tomorrow.

We are waiting for new items. [-o< [-o< [-o<
Can't find this statement anywhere, source? Also don't see anything new on the early pictures of today.

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NiyolHuayra wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 09:01
_cerber1 wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 07:01
Lando said:Much of what we tested today is a small modification, not a key update - we will work with them tomorrow.

We are waiting for new items. [-o< [-o< [-o<
Can't find this statement anywhere, source? Also don't see anything new on the early pictures of today.
its simular to whats on the mclaren website, report for the day.
LANDO NORRIS, #4

“I only planned on doing half a day today but because of the weather, we didn’t manage to do as much as we’d hoped. That wasn’t just me though, a lot of other drivers were affected by the same thing. It was just one of those days really, which was a bit unfortunate, but I don’t think we lost out too much.

“A lot of what we tested today were smaller things to test rather than the more important items. Moving forward, that’s more for tomorrow. I only did three runs and a bit of a start practice, the track was still damp for the first one so not a lot of it was as representative as we wanted. I still got a read on one or two of the tests which were relatively important to give feedback on, so the things that we needed to complete, we managed to do. All in all, it went well.”

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Less than .5s off Vettel on the same tyre and second fastest C3. I know, itt's testing and we dont know what they were doing, but... not bad

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Capharol wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 22:41
Still an Iceman wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 22:22
Capharol wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 15:29
Yeah well to those whom it might concern..... keep on dreaming that a Renault (yes any powered renault team) will end in front of RB in the WCC
Well...

https://twitter.com/Foton_16/status/111 ... 33/video/1

If that is proper racing for you... Okay then
when you look properly... Max has his steeringwheel turned but due to the curb (because Sainz didn't let him any space, Max had to take it) he had no full control... the car jumped a bit and there Max wasn't in fault.... the stewarts (who considered this as a racing incident), all commentators on Sky F1, ESPN even RTL Germany Sainz steered in TO EARLY ....

Baiting removed.
Ver should have used his brakes. Simple.
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RS200E wrote:
Capharol wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 22:41
Still an Iceman wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 22:22
Well...

https://twitter.com/Foton_16/status/111 ... 33/video/1

If that is proper racing for you... Okay then
when you look properly... Max has his steeringwheel turned but due to the curb (because Sainz didn't let him any space, Max had to take it) he had no full control... the car jumped a bit and there Max wasn't in fault.... the stewarts (who considered this as a racing incident), all commentators on Sky F1, ESPN even RTL Germany Sainz steered in TO EARLY ....

Baiting removed.
Ver should have used his brakes. Simple.
If you consider how far Sainz was in front of Max at the braking point and how much he slowed down to enter the corner, it’s clear that Max didn’t brake “all the way”... But, it’s water under the bridge, the race is over and nothing to do about it.

Let’s hope that Mclaren can put a car (or 2) again in a position to fight the Red Bull’s!


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RonDennis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 01:06
He should risk everything when he get's another opportunity at Verstappen. Drivers shouldn't back off because they're scared of Verstappen. I rather have him showing some Spanish balls. It's all a bit too lovey dovey in F1 anyway, drivers should have some form of hate for each other on track, makes racing much better.
Problem is Sainz keeps doing this (steering in like this), withholds him from being a top driver and visible since the early days at TR.
This is racing, not cruising around.
Look at Lewis’ headsup with Vettel, skills and opportunity, possible because of perfect material (both sides)
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We all have our opinions. Personally, I feel both of them could have done something about it. Sainz could have taken a wider line anticipating what Verstappen would do. Verstappen could have avoided divebombing when Sainz was clearly ahead of him in that corner. However, Mika Hakkinen feels Verstappen is at fault.

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langedweil wrote:
04 Apr 2019, 06:21
RonDennis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 01:06
He should risk everything when he get's another opportunity at Verstappen. Drivers shouldn't back off because they're scared of Verstappen. I rather have him showing some Spanish balls. It's all a bit too lovey dovey in F1 anyway, drivers should have some form of hate for each other on track, makes racing much better.
Problem is Sainz keeps doing this (steering in like this), withholds him from being a top driver and visible since the early days at TR.
This is racing, not cruising around.
Look at Lewis’ headsup with Vettel, skills and opportunity, possible because of perfect material (both sides)
As you say this Works when both drivers show skills and leave a minium amount of space, Verstappen usually don´t do this, and because he is part of many incidents.