2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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ringo wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 03:15
Alonsismo wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 02:54
Fluido wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 14:43

He hasn't been fast enough last few years compared to his teammates. I don't understand why people don't want to accept that. You cant compete with young lions at that age.

I would even say he already lost some agresion in 2021.
This is not Lewis from 2007 any more.
lewis is a great talent, but he is not a generational talent
is the most overrated driver ever, and he had an giant support from FIA and Mercedes/Ron Dennis since the begining, he has always raced with rules for his own.

he is not alonso, he cant be at top level forever
this was shown between 2010-13, we had Alonso driving for ferrari and making miracles every race, and each year Alonso had a really slower car compared to hamilton, but each year alonso managed to outscore hamilton by a mile.
if hamilton havent moved to mercedes he would have retired with 1 title, and thats enough for his talent, because he dont deserve more than 1 WDC

If you put today Alonso and Hamilton in the same car, Alonso would destroy hamilton
The year is 2025 not 2005.
We know how that matchup ends already.
For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.

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JPower wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 16:46
ringo wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 16:36
It's early days. The real objective is 2026.
I don't agree with this. The point of revamping the SF-24 and bringing on Hamilton was to target the WCC(and possibly WDC) this year, especially after being so close in 2024.
Hamilton was brought in as a marketing exercise, which is fine, but the problem is the length of his contract.

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RonMexico wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 23:56

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season
. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.
Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.

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JPower wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 00:06
RonMexico wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 23:56

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season
. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.
Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.
It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.

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RonMexico wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 00:10

It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.
It's really not. Race winning car or not, his teammates are still of a much higher quality from top to bottom than Alonso's.

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This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.

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Get a room you people.

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JPower wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 21:38
ringo wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 21:02

Hamilton is already proven better for Ferrari. He's a better team player. Sainz was already holding up Albon who was faster in Jedha. He's always going to be for himself. If he stayed he would have been a stumbling block for the team.

I think we should let the season play out before any judgement. It's just too early to be throwing in the towel.

Hamilton will find the pace. He's just a difficult learner. Let's just wait. We may well be finding quotes of today in 5 month's time when there was doubt. There's a reason he didn't do well in school. :lol:
Completely false. Sainz was asked to back into range for Albon to create a DRS train to cover Hadjar. Sainz last lap was quicker than everyone else on hards outside of PIA/VER/ANT. He had tons of pace left.

You're the one that suggested Ferrari throw in the towel and pivot to working on 2026.

As for the potshot at Hamilton being a slow learner, that's weak and uncalled for. Not even funny as a joke.
I was joking about his learning ability. He did say he wasnt great in prep school. But to be serious he does have slow starta to his seasons.
In 2016 he didnt lose to Rosberg because of the engine Failure in Malaysia. The true reason he lost was because he did not get on top of the new clutch release regulations for 2016.
It was all new technical directive on clutch bitepoint and release by the driver.
He lose a good number of race starts to rosberg and Mercedes agreement at the time was that the leading driver gets the optimal strategy.
He admited as much and said he's going to work on his starts. He took the time off to improve and he did. He didnt help himself by not putting in the focus on that from the start of the season. Maybe he leaned on talent too much or underestimated the little things.
But Rosberg focused on every little thing gain an advantage.
Ferrari can focus on 2026 more. Realistically the constructors is very unlikely. McLaren is very strong and they have 2 good drivers.
As for learning, i think Lewis is in an information overload, typical of anyone in their 30s.
None of us at his age can go back to college and be sharper and quicker at adapting like a young 20 year college student. So the learning challenge is relative to the younger drivers and it's a real thing.

Anyhow it looks like his management reads this thread because he has chosen to put of other plans and go to work early this week.
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RonMexico wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 00:10
JPower wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 00:06
RonMexico wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 23:56

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season
. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.
Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.
It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.
What's the whole point of this Alonso comparison?
Hamilton never had a contractual #2. Faced reigning champions and has over 100 wins doing. He's the most successful in the sport and likely will remain so if Max doesnt get a dominant car for the next 3 to 5 years. Any other driver will need to win at least 7 championships while defeating reigning champions in the same car to be in the same conversation.
Currently we are looking at Ferrari 2025 and how Lewis can overcome difficulties to beat Charles or just to give Ferarri a good season.
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SoulPancake13 wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 00:57
This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.
I think they need sidepod and engine cover updates.
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