Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

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beelsebob wrote:
WilliamsF1 wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:That's a bit harsh WilliamsF1. Most drivers have been waxing lyrical of the circuit
Most drivers are singing their corporate song more than usual at India. India as a venue is a great place but the Tilkadrome is just awful.
Care to elaborate on what features are awful? Personally, what I see as good is that the first sector will provide great overtaking tomorrow, and the second and third sectors are immensely technical and we've seen all sorts of people getting it very very wrong there. What's so bad about it?
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Pathetic circuit layout wise. Absolutely no fast open corners, could be said as the worst of Tilkedromes.
Uhhh, Sectors 2 and 3 are pretty much entirely made of fast sweepers...
Was expecting turn 1 and 13 to be equal to copse corner at silverstone, 11 and 12 to be maggotts and becketts
Making turn 1 similar to copse would destroy it as an overtaking zone – yes we've seen one or two into copse, but it's hardly a popular place, is it?
And no, 11 and 12 aren't like maggotts and becketts, they're like turkey turn 8, except seemingly generating more errors! Great stuff![/quote]


Copse is one of the best corners in f1. It is flatout and we have seen quiet a few overtakings at the corner.
What they have in turn 1 and 13 are corners with no character mid speed corners

personally, i consider a straight with one hairpin bend as idiotic, 2 hairpin bends can might as well be considered as a place for young drivers straight line tests with no challenge to the best in the world

11 and 12 are the left - right flicks before 13, guess you had turn 10 in mind when considering it close to turn 8 turkey

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Turn 12 is a nothing corner on the exit of 11. Do you mean Turn 13/14?
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Pathetic circuit layout wise.
a. I second that thought. I haven't seen so much sliding since the X-Games.

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The grass laid out is a joke, all it does is throw up dust equal to a smoke screen.

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b. The Word of the Day is 'Tricky' as pointed out by Vettel (5 times) & Webber (twice) in the Top 3 Press Conference.

c. Massa's suspension breaking was something rather freaky as he had just gone over the kerb & it snapped. What're those kerbs made of?!!

d. Great job by both Toro Rosso's, although I was a bit surprised that they didn't come out in Q3. I was practically at the edge of my seat when Jaime qualified in 10th in Q2 & & Petrov lapped the exact same time with 1m 26.319s. That left Schumacher, Pérez & Senna to out qualify him after the checkered flag was drawn.

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Must agree with one of the opinions of the track. The dust plumes that get sprayed up when someone goes a bit wide is annoying surely the could have prepared the verges a bit better. I will be very surprised if they are the same next year. Nothing to do with the track but the pollution in that area of India is in the highest in the world....the track itself is superb...love it

The sliding could be due to the track surface been brand new. It was mentioned earlier that the oils from the tar are still coming through.
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Donuts wrote:
What you just wrote has nothing to do with what I just wrote! I don't want to see him be smart and save tyres??? Are you for real??? What the ****, stopp insulting my intelligence.
No need to explode because someone misunderstood your post.

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raymondu999 wrote:Turn 12 is a nothing corner on the exit of 11. Do you mean Turn 13/14?
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Yeah I got the numbering wrong

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This track is the best Tilkedrome since Malasia, a modren masterpice, however i thinkl theres improvements that could be made, but they are relitivly minor ones;

Turn 1 needs thje pit exit to be on the exit of the corner, simmilar to Turkeys pit exit. It would mean a long pit lane yes, but improve safety, especially as its in vogue at present in motorsports.
Turn 6/7 could have a tarmac run off but with sleepind policemen simmilar to Della Roggia at Monza.
Turn 8/9 could have simmilar, however a simple bollard for sightlines could have a better effect.
Turn 12 needs a crane on the exit of it to clear a car quicker.
Turn 16, again about the pits, but pit entry this time, i think a pit entry simmilar to China would be a better idea, where the cars go straight on and leave the racing line at racing speed would be better, again im thinking of safety.

If i was to be ultra critical id make turn 5 more open, but that could take away a challange away and make the track too fast and unsafe. Otherwise im happy with this track. Next year it should be better as it will have had rain on it and the oils should have came out of the tarmac as well, whitch should mean at least a second to a second and a half in evolution from the track becoming a little more mature. Glad that Tilke has finally tackled a shorter track as well, as there is too many 5.5km tracks, id like to see him do a 4.5km to 4.8km track next to see what he can come up with.

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TV bug, or did Vettel have a KERS-cheattastic lap?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 505966.stm

Watch the KERS meter at the start of the lap.

On his quick lap he did make up a lot of time in the first sector over his second fastest.

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beelsebob wrote:TV bug, or did Vettel have a KERS-cheattastic lap?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 505966.stm

Watch the KERS meter at the start of the lap.

On his quick lap he did make up a lot of time in the first sector over his second fastest.
There's definitely a big anomaly on his KERS for that lap. It didn't appear to reset across the line but reset later in the lap - but only after he had definitely used it a bit. Potentially he gained from that. Hopefully the stewards will investigate and make sure that he did not deploy KERS for more than the prescribed period of time for that lap.

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myurr wrote:There's definitely a big anomaly on his KERS for that lap. It didn't appear to reset across the line but reset later in the lap - but only after he had definitely used it a bit. Potentially he gained from that. Hopefully the stewards will investigate and make sure that he did not deploy KERS for more than the prescribed period of time for that lap.
Not that it would make any difference to the outcome of course, but interesting all the same.

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In other news – Karthikayen gets a 5 place grid drop for impeding Schumacher.
Schumacher gets no penalty for impeding Hamilton.
Button gets no penalty for doing his hot lap while Massa crashed.
Tim'o'glock may race despite not setting a time within 107% due to that being caused by mechanical failure.

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So Button has escaped penalty for setting his fastest lap time through a waved yellow flag zone... Whilst I agree with that decision, it's nice to see another example of consistency from the FIA and stewards. I fully expect Vettel to not even be investigated for what is potentially a breach of the KERS regulations, as shown in that video. Same as when he broke the rules in Korea by taking that shortcut back to the pits but escaped penalty as "he didn't gain an advantage". Schumacher rams into the back of another car in Singapore in an avoidable accident, Petrov does the same in the last race, yet only one of them gets a penalty.

Whilst I'm happier if the FIA takes a lighter touch approach to the rules for racing drivers, I hate this rampant inconsistency. We need a thoroughly fair and consistent application of the rules if we are to ever associate the word 'sport' with F1. With Mosley gone it's definitely improved to a degree but there's still a long long way to go.

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beelsebob wrote:
myurr wrote:There's definitely a big anomaly on his KERS for that lap. It didn't appear to reset across the line but reset later in the lap - but only after he had definitely used it a bit. Potentially he gained from that. Hopefully the stewards will investigate and make sure that he did not deploy KERS for more than the prescribed period of time for that lap.
Not that it would make any difference to the outcome of course, but interesting all the same.
Unless the team breached the rules. Hamilton didn't gain anything from his infraction in FP1 and yet he got a grid penalty for that.

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beelsebob wrote:In other news – Karthikayen gets a 5 place grid drop for impeding Schumacher.
Schumacher gets no penalty for impeding Hamilton.
How unexpecting...
Button gets no penalty for doing his hot lap while Massa crashed.
Quite unexpecting either, and this one is even more dangerous.
Tim'o'glock may race despite not setting a time within 107% due to that being caused by mechanical failure.
Although this is understandable, again shows the stewards not following the rules.

This shows why I dont mind watching formula 1 anymore, the stewards are more inconsequent then my school teacher and the races are dead boring, they are better sleeping material than dead silence
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