Moveable wing

[Ogami musashi]

he would die from neck breaking at the slightest load variation once at high speed.

[xpensive]

Not at all, he's strong as an ox, at least that Finnish one. Believe me, he can hold a big wing...

[Callum]

haha

what if he has an inverted aerofoil on his arm and sticks it out at corners while driving with one hand?

[Belatti]

haha

what if he has an inverted aerofoil on his arm and sticks it out at corners while driving with one hand?

That would have been a piece of cake for a driver like Senna.

[Callum]

He could have probably stuck his leg out the cockpit and still won :D

[xpensive]

But seriously, doesn't MotoGP riders get up ahead of corners for some aerodynamic reasons?

[CMSMJ1]

You sit up on a moto to give you some air brake and also to be able to get your weight off the bars for braking.

The hanging out of a knee can also at like a sail to give you a little turning assistance *allegedly - not for me*

[Fil]

with bikes its all about adjusting weight balance to keep the rear wheel down as much as possible under severe braking.
knee-out entering a corner is just body positioning again, preparing to lean into the corner off the bike. again, just weight balance to allow maximum traction.

[ESPImperium]

Im gonna say that the movable wings will be scraped for 2010, as the teams will use the system like what Renault did with the Mass Damper.

But id like to see F1 teams to be allowed to use orignal ideas in F1, id like to see teams being allowed to have a unique idea to each car, one idea per theam that has been "outlawed" in the past can make a return.

Id say it would work like this:

Ferarri: Flexable wings
Renault: Mass Damper
McLaren: One Sided braking
Honda: Front Torque Transfer System (Or team Formarly Known As Honda

Id like to see some of theese devices come back, but not in a active form controlled by electronics, but in a passive form that arent controlled by electronics or by the driver.

[Carlos]

What I noticed riding a bike - the rider is basically movable balast, in 3 dimensions, in relationship to the chassis lean angle and traction. I very much enjoyed riding.

[ISLAMATRON]

Im gonna say that the movable wings will be scraped for 2010, as the teams will use the system like what Renault did with the Mass Damper.

Please explain further your thoughts/ideas on that subject.

[ESPImperium]

Im gonna say that the movable wings will be scraped for 2010, as the teams will use the system like what Renault did with the Mass Damper.

Please explain further your thoughts/ideas on that subject.

Im shure teams will find a way, or find a grey area that the wings will move a little more than they should, i am thinking more in terms of what was posted before, some teams will take it as 12 degreese to play with each lap, others will just use the 2 6 degree increments, but something in me is telling me that someone somewhere will find a way arround it some way.

I can see fixed wingd brought back in 2010 tho, sorry if my thoughts are a bit vauge, but theres something that says its gonna be a bad idea to me.

[Ian P.]

Ian P. wrote:

Yes they will cut it back to reduce drag on the straights, yes they will go full-wing for the brakeing zone. How long they leave the wing in that position will depend on the configuration of the track.
Example, Indianapolis, US GP (someday again we hope...)
Main straight... 0 deg
Braking zone... 6 deg
Twisty bits ... 4 deg (this gives you 2 deg to play with for balance adjustment)
Entrance to last corner...no change
Last corner (Ralph's favourite) drop to 0 deg after apex.
Two changes per lap. Job done.
Once the teams figure the optimal way to use the system and the FIA finds they have been had, then the rule limitations will start.

That is obviously more than 2 changes per lap... did you lose count as you were typing that?

Not that I would admit to loosing count....I was just thinking like an Italian team would.
Base wing position ... 0 deg
Change at the end of the main straight to 6 deg or so.
Return to 0 deg....net one adjustment.
Entering the twisty bits, set to ....4 deg
Return to 0 deg...net second adjustment.
If you adopt the (somewhat logical) approach that 0 to 6 and back to 0 deg is two changes, then you are really only getting one adjustment per lap. Seems straight forward but not what I understood was intended.
It will be interesting to see how this works out. Could be some interesting interpretations on what would seem to be a really simple concept.

[blobslosak]

Amazing how something that originally seemed simple is actually really open to interpretation. I thought the rules meant 0deg to 6 deg to 0 deg would count as 2 changes, but as pointed out above, you can argue in favour of more changes being counted as 2 changes. There's gonna be so many talking points this year... LOVE IT.

[ISLAMATRON]

COMPLETE bs... IF YOU PRESS THE BUTTON 1NCE TO CHANGE THE FLAP THAT IS 1 ADJUSTMENT... YOU CAN ONLY PRESS THE BUTTON 2 TIMES PER LAP. They will usually take all the wing off at the start of the longest straight and put it back to optimal at the end of the longest straight... 2 adjustments... thats it, and thats all the SECU will allow.