German Gp 2009 - Nürburgring

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dont u find it wierd how the cars are completly differnet mainly aero wise but can still lap a circuit some 3 miles and be like 0.1sec apart

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adam2007 wrote:dont u find it wierd how the cars are completly differnet mainly aero wise but can still lap a circuit some 3 miles and be like 0.1sec apart
I used to, but I've had several engineering projects since, and noticed that most problems actually tend to have several different solutions with similar performance. When you think about it, that's not really all that weird. Most engineering problems tend not to be limited by implementation, but by edge-conditions and corner-cases. In computer software, it's inherently sequential problems and user input. In F1, it's tyres (and to some degree regulation restrictions). There's usually something outside of your control that ends up limiting your system.

Frankly, I like it. Different solutions are much more interesting than identical ones :).

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brawn will have a upgrade for their car, hoping to close on redbull. I believe this would be the mid season push. Not sure if its a big upgrade like redbull but ross in i think turkey said there next big upgrade is in german/hungry gp.

i seriously think redbull have solved there disadvantages compared to brawn. ANd now the redbull with there upgrade seems the fastest car, the brawns will have to hope their upgrades work as they need a few tenths to get level and possibly ahead.

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I dont really agree that the Red Bull is the fastest car at the moment. To go by Silverstone alone doesn't really prove that Red Bull have closed the gap to Brawn. It was mentioned in this thread on another page that the Brawn is not as good as the Red Bull in high-speed turns, and I'm not sure there is enough proof yet. I think Silverstone was a bit of a bung weekend for Brawn, Jenson was complaining his car was bottoming out all race, so high-speed cornering problems are a bit far fetched in my opinion.

I think things will be tight but I'm not convinced that Red Bull have pulled the wool over Brawn's eyes yet...

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If the wet and relatively cold weather continues it will favour Red Bull.
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WhiteBlue wrote:If the wet and relatively cold weather continues it will favour Red Bull.
Wet definately not, then you can scrape all known things, then it is just who can drive the best in the rain, then the brawn will win as it simly seems to have great traction out of slow corners, monaco have proven it and also on bahrain it was proven.
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wesley123 wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:If the wet and relatively cold weather continues it will favour Red Bull.
Wet definately not, then you can scrape all known things, then it is just who can drive the best in the rain, then the brawn will win as it simly seems to have great traction out of slow corners, monaco have proven it and also on bahrain it was proven.

Are you forgetting China, where it was actually wet?

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no, but that doesnt mean that red bull will be faster, i mean, brawn won in malaysia, where it was soaked.

The cars will be pretty close and will fight it out on the track, we really cant state wich one will win.
If the temperatures will be 25 degrees or above, then the brawn has a gain as it works good at higher ambient temperatures(see the first races where it was hot), red bull has a gain when it under 25 degrees. The circuit has a few nice slow turns where the brawn is better then the red bull(the brawn has good traction out of corners) but on high speed turns, wich the nurburgring got too the red bull got a gain, so it will be close.

i place my bets on brawn, but we'll see when the race s done...
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I want Vettel to get pole, fastest lap and win the race!!! Give the Germans something to cheer on the home track. GO Sebastian GO!!
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wesley123 wrote:no, but that doesnt mean that red bull will be faster, i mean, brawn won in malaysia, where it was soaked.

The cars will be pretty close and will fight it out on the track, we really cant state wich one will win.
If the temperatures will be 25 degrees or above, then the brawn has a gain as it works good at higher ambient temperatures(see the first races where it was hot), red bull has a gain when it under 25 degrees. The circuit has a few nice slow turns where the brawn is better then the red bull(the brawn has good traction out of corners) but on high speed turns, wich the nurburgring got too the red bull got a gain, so it will be close.

i place my bets on brawn, but we'll see when the race s done...
I dont think thats 100& correct with the temperatures your stating about Brawn and RB. The cars evlove all the times just beacuse they wearnt good back start of the season dont mean they havnt fixed it.

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http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=149

Currently 29% of F1technical voters see Vettel win the race before, Button, Barichello, Massa, Reikkonen and Webber.

Webber gets only 9% of the votes although he is in the same car. At least in the championship he is scoring better than in the opinon of this web site.
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WhiteBlue wrote:http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=149

Currently 29% of F1technical voters see Vettel win the race before, Button, Barichello, Massa, Reikkonen and Webber.

Webber gets only 9% of the votes although he is in the same car. At least in the championship he is scoring better than in the opinon of this web site.
Considering the vast majority of F1Tech members are from Europe and the UK, I dont find the result at all surprising.
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maybe they should change the name to F1popularitycontest.net or F1tifosibias.net

MAssa & KImi in front of Webber is absurd

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actually most people like me vote with imotion, not logic......we want our diver win, no matter what the reality is.

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sunny1304 wrote:actually most people like me vote with imotion, not logic......we want our diver win, no matter what the reality is.
maybe the tifosi, but if you were putting down a bet which side of your brain would you use?