Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

[Richard]

I do feel sorry for the stewards, they have all the telemetry and cameras hence they are far better informed than us, but they are still damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Out of interest, where was Button in relation to Massa's crash? Am I allowed to ask that, or do are we only allowed to condemn on this tread?

[myurr]

I do feel sorry for the stewards, they have all the telemetry and cameras hence they are far better informed than us, but they are still damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Out of interest, where was Button in relation to Massa's crash? Am I allowed to ask that, or do are we only allowed to condemn on this tread?

Button was about 4 - 5 seconds behind him on the track.

[beelsebob]

I do feel sorry for the stewards, they have all the telemetry and cameras hence they are far better informed than us, but they are still damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Out of interest, where was Button in relation to Massa's crash? Am I allowed to ask that, or do are we only allowed to condemn on this tread?

He was following Massa by a couple of corners. As he approached the crash he saw the crash clearly, but no yellows. As he left the area he saw a yellow flashing light.

[myurr]

I do feel sorry for the stewards, they have all the telemetry and cameras hence they are far better informed than us, but they are still damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Out of interest, where was Button in relation to Massa's crash? Am I allowed to ask that, or do are we only allowed to condemn on this tread?

He was following Massa by a couple of corners. As he approached the crash he saw the crash clearly, but no yellows. As he left the area he saw a yellow flashing light.

I reiterate that I don't think he should have been punished, but strictly speaking there could have been a second accident he wasn't aware of that the waved yellows were so he should have lifted. I say this as some people were playing the safety card against Hamilton saying he deserved the penalty. Personally I don't think either drivers should have been punished.

[beelsebob]

I reiterate that I don't think he should have been punished, but strictly speaking there could have been a second accident he wasn't aware of that the waved yellows were so he should have lifted. I say this as some people were playing the safety card against Hamilton saying he deserved the penalty. Personally I don't think either drivers should have been punished.

Agreed on all counts – none of the drivers should have been punished this weekend re yellow flags.

[Traction]

I do feel sorry for the stewards, they have all the telemetry and cameras hence they are far better informed than us, but they are still damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Out of interest, where was Button in relation to Massa's crash? Am I allowed to ask that, or do are we only allowed to condemn on this tread?

Drivers had to be past the accident zone in able to keep the speed up. Button was into the corner and did lift off at the scene. The yellow lights cam on after he passed the accident and the flags certainly never. Seen as he was past the scene he could keep his speed up.

[Traction]

I reiterate that I don't think he should have been punished, but strictly speaking there could have been a second accident he wasn't aware of that the waved yellows were so he should have lifted. I say this as some people were playing the safety card against Hamilton saying he deserved the penalty. Personally I don't think either drivers should have been punished.

Agreed on all counts – none of the drivers should have been punished this weekend re yellow flags.

I disagree. Hamilton and Perez clearly transgressed. harsh yes but that's the way it goes.

[myurr]

I reiterate that I don't think he should have been punished, but strictly speaking there could have been a second accident he wasn't aware of that the waved yellows were so he should have lifted. I say this as some people were playing the safety card against Hamilton saying he deserved the penalty. Personally I don't think either drivers should have been punished.

Agreed on all counts – none of the drivers should have been punished this weekend re yellow flags.

I disagree. Hamilton and Perez clearly transgressed. harsh yes but that's the way it goes.

How was Hamilton's transgression different to Button's?

[Richard]

Just found the Button interview after qualifying plus onboard footage. Button said he lifted off when he saw the accident and yellow. The stewards will have looked at telemetry and presumably saw he lifted for a couple of seconds until he got the green.

That's different to entering a yellow zone at full pace as Hamilton did, and admitted.

We can argue that the penalties are harsh, but I don't see much scope for arguing about the facts of the matter. Seems like the stewards are being consistent.

[Traction]

TV bug, or did Vettel have a KERS-cheattastic lap?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 505966.stm

Watch the KERS meter at the start of the lap.

On his quick lap he did make up a lot of time in the first sector over his second fastest.

In Q3 SV quickest time in sector 1 was 41.2 , second fastest was 41.3 which was about 3 laps before. Can you only make up .100 of a second using kers or is capable of more?

[Gerhard Berger]

Shame about Hamilton's penalty, would love to see him at the front with Vettel. Hope he can make a good start and be up there with the Red Bulls and Alonso at the beginning of the race.

Thought Alonso could have improved even further in his 2nd run and got ahead of Webber. He can still have a strong race from 3rd on the grid and has a great chance of nailing Webber at the start.

Interesting to note that the Red Bulls were one of the slowest in the speed traps (only the Lotuses were slower). The Ferraris (particularly Massa) and the Mclarens are significantly faster. That translates to a faster sector 1, so the first part of the first lap could see some overtaking down that long back straight.

[Traction]

Just found the Button interview after qualifying plus onboard footage. Button said he lifted off when he saw the accident and yellow. The stewards will have looked at telemetry and presumably saw he lifted for a couple of seconds until he got the green.

That's different to entering a yellow zone at full pace as Hamilton did, and admitted.

We can argue that the penalties are harsh, but I don't see much scope for arguing about the facts of the matter. Seems like the stewards are being consistent.

That's how different the two scenarios were...Button was virtually at the scene when the yellow lights went on and then he lifted, went past and freeing him up. The flags weren't even up.

[myurr]

Button may have lifted for the accident but he certainly didn't lift by much and then sped off whilst still being shown a flashing yellow light. The green light was a further couple of hundred metres down the track.

He set his fastest lap through the entire of Q3 in that attempt only 0.2s faster than Massa. That was his fastest lap in any of the sessions across the entire weekend.

[myurr]

Just found the Button interview after qualifying plus onboard footage. Button said he lifted off when he saw the accident and yellow. The stewards will have looked at telemetry and presumably saw he lifted for a couple of seconds until he got the green.

That's different to entering a yellow zone at full pace as Hamilton did, and admitted.

We can argue that the penalties are harsh, but I don't see much scope for arguing about the facts of the matter. Seems like the stewards are being consistent.

That's how different the two scenarios were...Button was virtually at the scene when the yellow lights went on and then he lifted, went past and freeing him up. The flags weren't even up.

The flags weren't up but the warning lights were. Are you saying that the warning lights should be ignored completely as they don't indicate anything?

[Traction]

I might be wrong but once a driver is past the accident zone he can speed up as the lap was finished. Might be wrong.